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Hate is too strong a word

Avandel
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Oct 26 2013, 5:15pm


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With respect, I question that it was fair to introduce a given storyline with a compelling set of characters, that many become involved with (and books are put out touting the big focus on dwarf culture "depicting that culture in a detail that was never seen before") - and then, based on the decision of the screen writers, those characters lose screen time - after a LONG wait to see them. In the many times I've rewatched AUJ, not once, ever, as the company gazes at distant Erebor, and as Smaug opens that amazing eye, have I thought "You know what? This film really needs lots more elves, and even better, a FEMALE elf!! And some romantic interest, too!). Don't think folks can be blamed for being tired of seeing Lego/Tauriel *shrugs* - you'd have to be a fan of them already - there's no reason at this point to have any emotional investment re the films themselves, yet E & L keep being pushed out there in PR material.

The initial fan audience will be forced to sit through minutes about a character whose reason for being part of the narrative IS open to debate (similar to complaints about book authors who start adding in characters, or suddenly devote entire chapters to secondary characters e.g. George Martin's last two GOT books). The character Tauriel IMO may legitimately be a guard captain, may have some interaction with Lego and Thranduil and capturing the dwarves and killing orcs, but past that don't see how it helps the [quest] narrative to highlight all these Tauriel backstory relationship/personality details - re Lego as well. (Some view this as enriching the story, for now I view it as having to sit through a commercial in the middle of the film, tho that may change after I see DOS).

Well, OK, no one has seen EL performance yet, fair enough. But that's the thing - Bilbo, 13 dwarves, Gandalf, Beorn, Thranduil, Bard, Smaug - their presence doesn't need explaining. Tauriel's presence does, yet instead of a balanced, quieter introduction of the character that would let the performance speak for itself, Lego and Tauriel through the summer were offered as the "face of DOS" as it were, and now again ELVES on the DOS EVENT poster. An event that caters to FANS who of course know the Hobbit is about, in fact, a hobbit, not Legolas and Tauriel. (Kind of disrespectful to the main cast, too, who put in a LOT of long hours and hot, hard work).

WB's publicity choices are not, of course, the fault of EL. But outside the "degree of elevation" the character seems to be getting, with no self-evident reason to do so, the choice of the actress IMO is also open to debate. EL apparently, unlike most, didn't read for the part, didn't have a history with LOTR, doesn't seem to spend a lot of time acting since LOST, didn't even, according to her, spend a lot of time on set. Physically to me her face looks older than Lego and Thranduil - hardly an "ageless" elf.

Hate? No, that's not true, too early for that. Think justifiably dubious and irritated that it seems an "Arwen-like" scenario is being done again. But I genuinely hope EL/Tauriel is a pleasant surprise and/or earns the respect some feel she deserves, I really do, since I have to sit there during DOS. In any case, negative posts re Tauriel/Lego wouldn't resurge (again) if WB didn't keep pulling the elf spam - every time things settle (like after the trailer - yeah! Bilbo, Thorin and Gandalf are actually IN the movie!!!!) here comes WB with its elf photo re-hash - can't even be bothered to take some new PR pictures.

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Now we're talking... The Hobbit DOS Fan Event - Hosted by PJ 11/4 Joe20 Send a private message to Joe20 Oct 25 2013, 8:06pm
    Nice! Elessar Send a private message to Elessar Oct 25 2013, 8:08pm
    More information from book Gandalf: dos events dernwyn Send a private message to dernwyn Oct 25 2013, 8:44pm
    Wow! Talk about promotion!! cats16 Send a private message to cats16 Oct 25 2013, 8:51pm
        Ugh, Bloom Weariness Metal Slug Send a private message to Metal Slug Oct 25 2013, 9:47pm
            If they handed out gold bars.... dormouse Send a private message to dormouse Oct 25 2013, 10:28pm
                That's my thinking as well, dormouse. MatthewJer18 Send a private message to MatthewJer18 Oct 25 2013, 10:35pm
                    Re Cooper...... Avandel Send a private message to Avandel Oct 25 2013, 11:22pm
                The only thing I am going to gripe about, at present (unless some crazy scene emerges of AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Oct 29 2013, 7:47pm
            cooper Ham_Sammy Send a private message to Ham_Sammy Oct 25 2013, 10:36pm
                Hi Ham Sammy tolktolk Send a private message to tolktolk Oct 25 2013, 11:05pm
                    yeah Ham_Sammy Send a private message to Ham_Sammy Oct 25 2013, 11:06pm
    OMG I'm so excited! Kim Send a private message to Kim Oct 25 2013, 10:24pm
    I'll watch it on YouTube Glorfindela Send a private message to Glorfindela Oct 25 2013, 10:25pm
        Yeah, because Heaven forbid anyone actually gives EL a chance. MatthewJer18 Send a private message to MatthewJer18 Oct 25 2013, 10:32pm
            for and against book Gandalf Send a private message to book Gandalf Oct 25 2013, 10:46pm
            It's really not fair Eruvandi Send a private message to Eruvandi Oct 26 2013, 2:16am
                Hate is too strong a word Avandel Send a private message to Avandel Oct 26 2013, 5:15pm
                    For what it's worth, Avandel Glorfindela Send a private message to Glorfindela Oct 26 2013, 10:33pm
                        I'm sick of Tauriel hate Estel78 Send a private message to Estel78 Oct 26 2013, 10:45pm
                            I'd consider myself an Evangeline Lily fan, sauget.diblosio Send a private message to sauget.diblosio Oct 26 2013, 11:12pm
                                Very nice Avandel Send a private message to Avandel Oct 27 2013, 1:08am
                            Have to take your word on EL Avandel Send a private message to Avandel Oct 27 2013, 12:55am
                            Agree Ham_Sammy Send a private message to Ham_Sammy Oct 27 2013, 2:16am
                        "Mashup" reshash pic cover of Italian magazine Avandel Send a private message to Avandel Oct 27 2013, 12:44am
                            Tell me something... dormouse Send a private message to dormouse Oct 27 2013, 9:12am
                                Logic Arannir Send a private message to Arannir Oct 27 2013, 4:10pm
                                    A similar Legolas anecdote DwellerInDale Send a private message to DwellerInDale Oct 27 2013, 4:26pm
                                        Well, yes. Glorfindela Send a private message to Glorfindela Oct 27 2013, 6:40pm
                                            True Avandel Send a private message to Avandel Oct 27 2013, 11:44pm
                                                Whether they are 'successful' in this strategy Glorfindela Send a private message to Glorfindela Oct 28 2013, 12:18am
                                                    Lost was on Sky 1 over there, i believe. sauget.diblosio Send a private message to sauget.diblosio Oct 29 2013, 2:19pm
                                                        Don't know anything about this, I'm afraid. Glorfindela Send a private message to Glorfindela Oct 29 2013, 3:23pm
                                                            Lost WAS big DjU Send a private message to DjU Oct 29 2013, 6:19pm
                                                                I very much doubt LOST was not a huge thing back in 2005 and 2006 unless I only met totally unusual UK citizens ;) Arannir Send a private message to Arannir Oct 29 2013, 6:28pm
                                                                    It was never huge in the UK Glorfindela Send a private message to Glorfindela Oct 29 2013, 11:06pm
                                                                        Well... Arannir Send a private message to Arannir Oct 29 2013, 11:17pm
                                                                            It was a while ago and I lost interest in it quite rapidly Glorfindela Send a private message to Glorfindela Oct 29 2013, 11:25pm
                                movies and making money...... Avandel Send a private message to Avandel Oct 27 2013, 11:33pm
                    Truly this makes no sense at all DwellerInDale Send a private message to DwellerInDale Oct 27 2013, 2:29am
                        It's sad Elessar Send a private message to Elessar Oct 27 2013, 4:25pm
                        logical to me, all things considered Avandel Send a private message to Avandel Oct 27 2013, 9:41pm
    Not complaining but ....Ooh how I wish Dragonrnbw Send a private message to Dragonrnbw Oct 25 2013, 10:43pm
        It is in some theatres.... dormouse Send a private message to dormouse Oct 25 2013, 10:47pm
            In the U.S. Ham_Sammy Send a private message to Ham_Sammy Oct 25 2013, 11:01pm
            Thanks Dormouse Dragonrnbw Send a private message to Dragonrnbw Oct 25 2013, 11:46pm
                My feeling as well Ham_Sammy Send a private message to Ham_Sammy Oct 26 2013, 1:00am
    Mh Nagini6 Send a private message to Nagini6 Oct 25 2013, 10:46pm
    I'm not getting this re tickets.... Avandel Send a private message to Avandel Oct 25 2013, 11:38pm
    Tickets question Lio Send a private message to Lio Oct 26 2013, 12:29am
    Woohoo! Eruvandi Send a private message to Eruvandi Oct 26 2013, 2:18am
    Great, but no Martin Freeman? Peterthorn of Rohan Send a private message to Peterthorn of Rohan Oct 26 2013, 6:21am
        Hi Peterthorn tolktolk Send a private message to tolktolk Oct 26 2013, 7:56am
            Thanks! Peterthorn of Rohan Send a private message to Peterthorn of Rohan Oct 26 2013, 10:04am

 
 
 

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