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The Dwarves and the song...

Brethil
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Oct 26 2013, 5:01pm


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The acapella is beautiful. Richard Armitage said in an interview that heís a trained singer and had to dial it back for this scene, but itís still lovely. The lighting, the camera work, the sound all make for a great scene. The Dwarven instruments from the book would have been an unnecessary complication. I agree here 100%. The acapella translation was a great choice, especially in light of RA's singing skills. I think the whole rush of special, magical instruments would have complicated the simplicity of the scene. Hopefully later, in Erebor, we will get to see this sort of playing: but for this moment I think voice was the right choice.

This is another scene in which their knowledge of their characters' back stories and individual traits enable the actors to enrich this scene without any spoken words. Though all the Dwarves are drawn in and their hearts touched, they react differently Thorin starts off looking into the fire (and looking magnificent), then turns to face the group, making him part of it instead of separate and probably engaging the others more. This group of individuals is moved by the events of the past and brought together for their shared purpose.

I think that Balin is fatalistic and sad rather than optimistic about their prospects but is resigned. After a moment he rises to sing with the others, signifying his commitment to Thorin and the quest.
I agree! I still don't think he is quite 'won over' and that's why he looks so sad in the opening, and also why he seems to resolutely NOT look at Thorin; afraid of what the quest might bring to him.

Dwalin also doesn't look too happy but seems resolute. Like his brother he probably has a realistic idea of what their chances of success are. Again, agreed. Plus I note he focuses so solemnly on Thorin - clearly he loves his friend of a lifetime, and is also contemplating what might be lost. But like his brother loyalty wins. I think his crossed-arms show his controlled emotion: he will stand, and mouth the words, but displaying too much is not in Dwalin's nature.

Dwalin, Balin and Gloin look grim and lost in memory. I would expect them to have been at Erebor. Probably Oin as well of course but I canít remember him in this scene. Oin is very shadowed - and I wonder, as the Company's purported healer, if he had experiences at Erebor that we may see later in flashback. I do think that by Gloin's face, he saw it happen!

Bifur rises first, perhaps showing us that he's not as out of it as he looks. Certainly he's in there fighting when required. Yes, that's what I take from this too: that's why I love that SPJ gave him that first-to-stand role.

I always supposed that Bofur sang more prominently because James Nesbitt can hold a tune. I don't know why Bofur remained seated with his back to Thorin.
I like how Dori looks at Oriís rapt face and turns away; maybe he had hoped to prevent his little brother from going on the journey and was realizing that he had failed.
Bofur seems lost in memory, unable to move? VERY interesting take on Dori looking at Ori! I never considered that point...the bookish little brother who should have stayed home, and Dori worried about him. Excellent and novel interpretation here Noria!

Gandalf is enigmatic as usual. I wouldn't say that heís confident but is still hopeful that Bilboís Tookish side will win through. He probably knows the song will help. As for Bilbo, I think the song touched his Tookish side though he's still resisting. Maybe he's regretting thet he "can't" go running off into the blue. I like Gandalf and Bilbo shot separately. It feels authentic that this deeply personal moment would be for the Company, and not for the hosts - trusted or no. Maybe this hope you mention is what Gandalf is referring to later when he says, "I never doubted you..." when Bilbo shows (*and* he bet money on it!)

The sparks flying up out of the chimney is a beautiful image. It reminded me of what the song was about, the attack of the dragon, and of course of hopes and dreams extinguished in the dark. Yes, well said...I have the 'dream' feeling about it too. In a big chilly world with only pinpoints of light!

For me this whole sequence, Bilbo and Gandalf, Thorin and Balin and the Misty Mountains song are really what the movie is about. Angelic Angelic Nice!


Is there a Tolkien topic that you have wanted to look into more deeply, and write about your thoughts on it? If so, we'd like to hear from you for the next TORn Amateur Symposium- coming in November. Happy writing!




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CHOWS Chapter: Bilbo's Choice Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Oct 25 2013, 4:58pm
    "The Misty Mountains Cold": a turning point? Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Oct 25 2013, 5:20pm
        Heh, heh- yes, another favourite moment indeed! elaen32 Send a private message to elaen32 Oct 25 2013, 6:49pm
            Politics behind the emotion Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Oct 26 2013, 12:10am
        Since you asked... Dame Ioreth Send a private message to Dame Ioreth Oct 25 2013, 9:23pm
            Congrats on making it to Rivendell! Kim Send a private message to Kim Oct 25 2013, 11:36pm
            Congrats on your 100th post!!!! Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Oct 26 2013, 12:22am
        Wonderful scenes, all three of them. The song, in particular, ranks as one of my favorite Middle-earth moments. Macfeast Send a private message to Macfeast Oct 26 2013, 12:28am
            Your wonderful avatar is almost back in season Macfeast! Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Oct 26 2013, 1:03am
                Jingle beards, jingle beards, jingle all the way! // Macfeast Send a private message to Macfeast Oct 26 2013, 1:29am
                    This *needs* to be a Holiday song!!!! // Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Oct 26 2013, 5:02pm
        Where Bilbo's choice really occurs Riven Delve Send a private message to Riven Delve Oct 26 2013, 12:09pm
        The Misty Mountains song is possibly my favourite moment in AUJ. Noria Send a private message to Noria Oct 26 2013, 1:42pm
            The Dwarves and the song... Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Oct 26 2013, 5:01pm
        The sparks Nunilo Send a private message to Nunilo Oct 31 2013, 11:28pm
            Nice take on the spark shot Nunilo! Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Nov 1 2013, 12:52am
    Well..... elaen32 Send a private message to elaen32 Oct 25 2013, 6:32pm
        Ok: to start with... Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Oct 26 2013, 12:01am
    One of my favorite sequences :-) Kim Send a private message to Kim Oct 25 2013, 11:28pm
        Such a great scene - how did I know you'd love it??? Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Oct 26 2013, 12:37am
    * Rubs hands* Now for Thorin (...oh and Balin too) Dame Ioreth Send a private message to Dame Ioreth Oct 25 2013, 11:32pm
        Wonderful post Dame Ioreth! Kim Send a private message to Kim Oct 25 2013, 11:43pm
            Well, garsh.... Dame Ioreth Send a private message to Dame Ioreth Oct 26 2013, 1:21am
                Again, I have to agree with you Kim Send a private message to Kim Oct 26 2013, 2:05am
                    I so agree with you Kim & Ioreth + spoilers+ elaen32 Send a private message to elaen32 Oct 26 2013, 8:09am
                        Not all who wander are lost...some OT is just fine!!! // Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Oct 26 2013, 5:03pm
    Thanks Brethil Noria Send a private message to Noria Oct 25 2013, 11:55pm
        Speaking of Golf! Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Oct 26 2013, 12:49am
    My choice too (for best chapter, that is!) Riven Delve Send a private message to Riven Delve Oct 26 2013, 11:41am
        The Bullroarer: what a good catch R-D Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Oct 26 2013, 4:47pm
    Really beautiful moments! Silwen_Peredhil Send a private message to Silwen_Peredhil Oct 28 2013, 8:44pm
        Wow Silwen, what a wonderful post! Kim Send a private message to Kim Oct 28 2013, 9:40pm
            Oh, thank you Kim! Silwen_Peredhil Send a private message to Silwen_Peredhil Oct 30 2013, 4:39pm
        Thanks to YOU Silwen! Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Oct 29 2013, 12:45am
            Thank you. :) Silwen_Peredhil Send a private message to Silwen_Peredhil Oct 30 2013, 4:51pm
                Yes, I see you in Rivendell!!!! Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Oct 30 2013, 8:27pm
    Another one of my all-time favourite scenes from The Hobbit (I think we all know why) FaramirAndEowynMorningStar Send a private message to FaramirAndEowynMorningStar Oct 29 2013, 6:35pm
        Great responses Morningstar! Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Oct 30 2013, 12:44am
            Aww, thank you, Brethil. FaramirAndEowynMorningStar Send a private message to FaramirAndEowynMorningStar Oct 30 2013, 9:46pm
                I agree.. and feel lucky to enjoy it all! Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Oct 31 2013, 12:27am
                    Agree 100% with you there. FaramirAndEowynMorningStar Send a private message to FaramirAndEowynMorningStar Oct 31 2013, 5:54pm
    All I really have to add is ... DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Oct 30 2013, 8:32pm
        Great summary Daniel... Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Oct 30 2013, 9:05pm

 
 
 

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