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The Bullroarer: what a good catch R-D

Brethil
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Oct 26 2013, 4:47pm


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This chapter features two great scenes with two one-on-one conversations, involving four fabulous actors. What a pleasure to watch! Entirely agreed R-D!

I think it's very clever of Gandalf to bring up Bullroarer Took. Why would a respectable Baggins have a picture of a wild, freakishly tall Goblin-slaughterer hanging on his wall? Because he secretly admires him, of course. Deep down he probably wishes he could participate in a similar kind of adventure. Leave it to Gandalf to use this to his advantage! That's an excellent point about the Bullroarer being on the wall R-D. Even in the text we get that sense of Bilbo admiring the Bullroarer - he brings him up to the Company. A clever angle to work trying to appeal to the adventurer Gandalf saw in Bilbo years before. Nice pick up here. Another thing I appreciate about this scene is not only the perspective, which I assume was done with the two-room method involving speaking to tennis balls, but also that Bilbo is firmly rooted to his chair, demonstrating his determination not to be moved. Gandalf paces around the room for most of the conversation, as one would expect from a wandering wizard. And yet when it comes down to brass tacks, the two are sitting face to face, as equals. Yes they are - and Gandalf, speaking the truth, treats him as equal as well...though it does seems to short-circuit the Burglar idea! I like too how Bilbo leaves the room - back straight, intensely dignified. MF used great body language there, as well as what you point out: being FIRMLY and gravity-defying in that chair!! Its a great similarity to how Sir Ian Holm uses body language for Bilbo in FOTR, with the little boxing move he makes against Gandalf...a subtle continuity in Bilbo done by two wonderful performers.

One of the things I most disliked about the book as a kid was that Gandalf harries Bilbo into the adventure and then abandons him for long periods of time to extreme danger and extremely cranky Dwarves. Here in the movie Bilbo makes the decision fully on his own, and fully aware (well, as much as he can be at this point) of the risks. Even though we have seen Gandalf "trick" Bilbo into hosting a party and use sly arguments on him, we can see that Gandalf is fundamentally honest. This scene makes a large impact when we see how he maneuvers in Rivendell and faces his "questioners" at the meeting of the White Council. I see many of us look at that moment in a similar way - internally consistent with Gandalf as a character; and though the scene is changed from text, I think it honors not only TH but other writings in regards to Gandalf's choices and behavior. Yet while preserving his integrity, it keeps Gandalf a bit fun too! Which is what he was: he was humble enough to have mirth, to enjoy small things.AngelicHeart


(Thorin and Balin in the hall) First of all, I'd like to note that the scene takes place in a hall, a "transitional" area...and this scene is kind of transitional too, in the sense that it marks a place of doubt. They seem to have lost their burglar. Balin is not convinced the quest has any chance of success. Thorin even seems to have doubts.And yet we are given insight into the reasons, which really are beyond "reason" that Thorin is determined to continue. And wow, what insight into both their characters in this soul-exposing talk! We see Thorin's pain, doubt, and vulnerability, and Balin's doubts and fierce loyalty. This scene is what really made me fall for both Balin and Thorin.Heart And I must add that Richard Armitage's eyes do almost all the acting here, with a supporting role for his voice. That is just incredible to me! I think Balin still has doubts--it's his loyalty to Thorin that is carrying him along on this journey.Its an very underplayed and subtle key scene. Which I love. I have always admired being able to import emotion and impact without histrionic or too-obvious dialogue. All that is done here.
Is this a unique and trusting relationship between Thorin and Balin, or is this a window into the soul of Dwarven culture: intense loyalty and private pain?

I think it's a little of both, as we see in the next scene.
We will see more of the Dwarven (and particularly Thorin's) losses as the next films unfold. I like that SPJ has chosen to show the events in degrees - not one piled-on sob story, but layered: paralleling Thorin (and I think Dwarf nature) himself.



Is there a Tolkien topic that you have wanted to look into more deeply, and write about your thoughts on it? If so, we'd like to hear from you for the next TORn Amateur Symposium- coming in November. Happy writing!





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CHOWS Chapter: Bilbo's Choice Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Oct 25 2013, 4:58pm
    "The Misty Mountains Cold": a turning point? Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Oct 25 2013, 5:20pm
        Heh, heh- yes, another favourite moment indeed! elaen32 Send a private message to elaen32 Oct 25 2013, 6:49pm
            Politics behind the emotion Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Oct 26 2013, 12:10am
        Since you asked... Dame Ioreth Send a private message to Dame Ioreth Oct 25 2013, 9:23pm
            Congrats on making it to Rivendell! Kim Send a private message to Kim Oct 25 2013, 11:36pm
            Congrats on your 100th post!!!! Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Oct 26 2013, 12:22am
        Wonderful scenes, all three of them. The song, in particular, ranks as one of my favorite Middle-earth moments. Macfeast Send a private message to Macfeast Oct 26 2013, 12:28am
            Your wonderful avatar is almost back in season Macfeast! Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Oct 26 2013, 1:03am
                Jingle beards, jingle beards, jingle all the way! // Macfeast Send a private message to Macfeast Oct 26 2013, 1:29am
                    This *needs* to be a Holiday song!!!! // Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Oct 26 2013, 5:02pm
        Where Bilbo's choice really occurs Riven Delve Send a private message to Riven Delve Oct 26 2013, 12:09pm
        The Misty Mountains song is possibly my favourite moment in AUJ. Noria Send a private message to Noria Oct 26 2013, 1:42pm
            The Dwarves and the song... Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Oct 26 2013, 5:01pm
        The sparks Nunilo Send a private message to Nunilo Oct 31 2013, 11:28pm
            Nice take on the spark shot Nunilo! Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Nov 1 2013, 12:52am
    Well..... elaen32 Send a private message to elaen32 Oct 25 2013, 6:32pm
        Ok: to start with... Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Oct 26 2013, 12:01am
    One of my favorite sequences :-) Kim Send a private message to Kim Oct 25 2013, 11:28pm
        Such a great scene - how did I know you'd love it??? Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Oct 26 2013, 12:37am
    * Rubs hands* Now for Thorin (...oh and Balin too) Dame Ioreth Send a private message to Dame Ioreth Oct 25 2013, 11:32pm
        Wonderful post Dame Ioreth! Kim Send a private message to Kim Oct 25 2013, 11:43pm
            Well, garsh.... Dame Ioreth Send a private message to Dame Ioreth Oct 26 2013, 1:21am
                Again, I have to agree with you Kim Send a private message to Kim Oct 26 2013, 2:05am
                    I so agree with you Kim & Ioreth + spoilers+ elaen32 Send a private message to elaen32 Oct 26 2013, 8:09am
                        Not all who wander are lost...some OT is just fine!!! // Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Oct 26 2013, 5:03pm
    Thanks Brethil Noria Send a private message to Noria Oct 25 2013, 11:55pm
        Speaking of Golf! Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Oct 26 2013, 12:49am
    My choice too (for best chapter, that is!) Riven Delve Send a private message to Riven Delve Oct 26 2013, 11:41am
        The Bullroarer: what a good catch R-D Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Oct 26 2013, 4:47pm
    Really beautiful moments! Silwen_Peredhil Send a private message to Silwen_Peredhil Oct 28 2013, 8:44pm
        Wow Silwen, what a wonderful post! Kim Send a private message to Kim Oct 28 2013, 9:40pm
            Oh, thank you Kim! Silwen_Peredhil Send a private message to Silwen_Peredhil Oct 30 2013, 4:39pm
        Thanks to YOU Silwen! Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Oct 29 2013, 12:45am
            Thank you. :) Silwen_Peredhil Send a private message to Silwen_Peredhil Oct 30 2013, 4:51pm
                Yes, I see you in Rivendell!!!! Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Oct 30 2013, 8:27pm
    Another one of my all-time favourite scenes from The Hobbit (I think we all know why) FaramirAndEowynMorningStar Send a private message to FaramirAndEowynMorningStar Oct 29 2013, 6:35pm
        Great responses Morningstar! Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Oct 30 2013, 12:44am
            Aww, thank you, Brethil. FaramirAndEowynMorningStar Send a private message to FaramirAndEowynMorningStar Oct 30 2013, 9:46pm
                I agree.. and feel lucky to enjoy it all! Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Oct 31 2013, 12:27am
                    Agree 100% with you there. FaramirAndEowynMorningStar Send a private message to FaramirAndEowynMorningStar Oct 31 2013, 5:54pm
    All I really have to add is ... DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Oct 30 2013, 8:32pm
        Great summary Daniel... Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Oct 30 2013, 9:05pm

 
 
 

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