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Politics behind the emotion

Brethil
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Oct 26 2013, 12:10am


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I love this song and I feel that the acapella setting gives it a feeling of antiquity and mystery. Also it evokes a sense of folk memory, in much the same way as the acapella section of Pippin's song in ROTK

The reactions of the characters are interesting and I think one can see who the veterans of Erebor were by this. I do wonder, though, whether the singing was to some extent a political move by Thorin, to reach out to the younger members of the company and to remind them of their history and their duty. It certainly seems to work for Kili, who is trying to comprehend the weight of responsibility on him as one of Durin's heirs. Even Nori seems to be affected, possibly against his better judgement! I'm not sure about Bofur- his family are from the Ered Luin and not of Durin's line, yet he seems to have adopted the quest and the cause of Durin's heirs as his own.
I think that Gandalf is possibly realising how much his motivation for the quest differs from that of the dwarfs at this point and is anticipating some future issues as a result. Bilbo has a number of thoughts whirling around his head. What a day and evening he has had!! And now, long suppressed Tookish thoughts and feelings are being awoken and making him feel uncomfortable. Also, his natural compassion for the dwarfs' plight in losing their home, is coming to the fore, despite the dwarfs' lack of manners.

And yes, I love the sparks from the chimneySmile




Antiquity - yes. Excellent point!

Indeed aside from the very emotional reaction we as viewers have to the scene, Thorin has a purpose with that song: to unify this group of Royals, Warriors, miners and craftsmen into a cohesive group. So I love that you brought this up, as I feel it myself. And Thorin's confidence clearly evolves through the song as well, as the response is generated by the Company - they are symbiotic.

Yes, actually I find Dori and Nori's reaction to be some of the most telling, and completely dialogue-free (which I love.) That slow, almost unwilling turn of Nori...and pulling Dori in from his pose of departure...so well staged and played by Mark and Jed. Potentially also expressing their initial 'outsider' feelings as being part of this Company?

Yes Gandalf does not look thrilled! Granted on film we have the jeopardy of Bilbo's decision pending, and seeming made in the negative. But I like what you have brought up here, that Gandalf may have stirrings of misgiving: this Dwarf (and among the whole Company of Dwarves) is strong-willed, and he has a challenge ahead of him perhaps. Possibly second-guessing Bilbo's fitness, or for his safety?

The sparks...what an evocative shot. It reminds me of small dreams in the larger, chillier world. Angelic

Is there a Tolkien topic that you have wanted to look into more deeply, and write about your thoughts on it? If so, we'd like to hear from you for the next TORn Amateur Symposium- coming in November. Happy writing!




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CHOWS Chapter: Bilbo's Choice Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Oct 25 2013, 4:58pm
    "The Misty Mountains Cold": a turning point? Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Oct 25 2013, 5:20pm
        Heh, heh- yes, another favourite moment indeed! elaen32 Send a private message to elaen32 Oct 25 2013, 6:49pm
            Politics behind the emotion Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Oct 26 2013, 12:10am
        Since you asked... Dame Ioreth Send a private message to Dame Ioreth Oct 25 2013, 9:23pm
            Congrats on making it to Rivendell! Kim Send a private message to Kim Oct 25 2013, 11:36pm
            Congrats on your 100th post!!!! Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Oct 26 2013, 12:22am
        Wonderful scenes, all three of them. The song, in particular, ranks as one of my favorite Middle-earth moments. Macfeast Send a private message to Macfeast Oct 26 2013, 12:28am
            Your wonderful avatar is almost back in season Macfeast! Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Oct 26 2013, 1:03am
                Jingle beards, jingle beards, jingle all the way! // Macfeast Send a private message to Macfeast Oct 26 2013, 1:29am
                    This *needs* to be a Holiday song!!!! // Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Oct 26 2013, 5:02pm
        Where Bilbo's choice really occurs Riven Delve Send a private message to Riven Delve Oct 26 2013, 12:09pm
        The Misty Mountains song is possibly my favourite moment in AUJ. Noria Send a private message to Noria Oct 26 2013, 1:42pm
            The Dwarves and the song... Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Oct 26 2013, 5:01pm
        The sparks Nunilo Send a private message to Nunilo Oct 31 2013, 11:28pm
            Nice take on the spark shot Nunilo! Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Nov 1 2013, 12:52am
    Well..... elaen32 Send a private message to elaen32 Oct 25 2013, 6:32pm
        Ok: to start with... Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Oct 26 2013, 12:01am
    One of my favorite sequences :-) Kim Send a private message to Kim Oct 25 2013, 11:28pm
        Such a great scene - how did I know you'd love it??? Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Oct 26 2013, 12:37am
    * Rubs hands* Now for Thorin (...oh and Balin too) Dame Ioreth Send a private message to Dame Ioreth Oct 25 2013, 11:32pm
        Wonderful post Dame Ioreth! Kim Send a private message to Kim Oct 25 2013, 11:43pm
            Well, garsh.... Dame Ioreth Send a private message to Dame Ioreth Oct 26 2013, 1:21am
                Again, I have to agree with you Kim Send a private message to Kim Oct 26 2013, 2:05am
                    I so agree with you Kim & Ioreth + spoilers+ elaen32 Send a private message to elaen32 Oct 26 2013, 8:09am
                        Not all who wander are lost...some OT is just fine!!! // Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Oct 26 2013, 5:03pm
    Thanks Brethil Noria Send a private message to Noria Oct 25 2013, 11:55pm
        Speaking of Golf! Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Oct 26 2013, 12:49am
    My choice too (for best chapter, that is!) Riven Delve Send a private message to Riven Delve Oct 26 2013, 11:41am
        The Bullroarer: what a good catch R-D Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Oct 26 2013, 4:47pm
    Really beautiful moments! Silwen_Peredhil Send a private message to Silwen_Peredhil Oct 28 2013, 8:44pm
        Wow Silwen, what a wonderful post! Kim Send a private message to Kim Oct 28 2013, 9:40pm
            Oh, thank you Kim! Silwen_Peredhil Send a private message to Silwen_Peredhil Oct 30 2013, 4:39pm
        Thanks to YOU Silwen! Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Oct 29 2013, 12:45am
            Thank you. :) Silwen_Peredhil Send a private message to Silwen_Peredhil Oct 30 2013, 4:51pm
                Yes, I see you in Rivendell!!!! Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Oct 30 2013, 8:27pm
    Another one of my all-time favourite scenes from The Hobbit (I think we all know why) FaramirAndEowynMorningStar Send a private message to FaramirAndEowynMorningStar Oct 29 2013, 6:35pm
        Great responses Morningstar! Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Oct 30 2013, 12:44am
            Aww, thank you, Brethil. FaramirAndEowynMorningStar Send a private message to FaramirAndEowynMorningStar Oct 30 2013, 9:46pm
                I agree.. and feel lucky to enjoy it all! Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Oct 31 2013, 12:27am
                    Agree 100% with you there. FaramirAndEowynMorningStar Send a private message to FaramirAndEowynMorningStar Oct 31 2013, 5:54pm
    All I really have to add is ... DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Oct 30 2013, 8:32pm
        Great summary Daniel... Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Oct 30 2013, 9:05pm

 
 
 

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