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* Rubs hands* Now for Thorin (...oh and Balin too)

Dame Ioreth
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Oct 25 2013, 11:32pm


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* Rubs hands* Now for Thorin (...oh and Balin too) [In reply to] Can't Post

And for my first post in Rivendell too! (I know, I am much too proud of such a little milestone)

First, I love this scene between Balin and Thorin. It gave me a chance to see another side of Thorin almost immediately, setting him up as more than the grumpy dwarf with the blue hood that Tolkien wrote. Now, I know that The Hobbit and Lord of the Rings were written for two very different audiences and I understand the differences in style, but in giving Thorin more depth, ultimately I think the story makes more sense in the end.

I see Balinís misgivings at the table as his natural tendency to negotiate. He seems to be the guy that nitpicks the details, pointing out the weak spots in the arguments, making sure that if they are going to do anything, hire a burglar for instance, that all the pros and cons will be thrashed out ahead of time. So, instead of conflict, I see him as a necessary member of the company and someone Thorin would have sought out to fill that role. Exercising that role does sometimes put the brakes on Thorinís forward motion, something that no dwarf takes easily, but I do not believe it is because of any animosity between the two.

Balin follows someone he sees already as his king, someone who has already proven his worth. (An interesting aside, Balin is listed in the appendices as 17 years younger than Thorin. SPJ chose to make him at least look older for some reason. ) What I think gives him pause is the quest itself and that is what he is expressing with his thoughts about Thorinís accomplishments in the Blue Mountains. He values what he has in the present while Thorin only values what he has lost. It is, I believe, a symptom of the dragon sickness that pervades his family, the inability to see and value the small because the large is imbedded too deeply.

The question of of soul of dwaven culture is interesting. They are a proud people, not necessarily given to much introspection as a race. They are doers more than thinkers. What does become of the shared terrors and failures and defeats they experience? When reading these types of buried emotions, I invariably think of Tolkienís own experiences in WWI. The stereotypical stiff upper lip man, burying their reactions, soldiering on for good of King and Country - that is how I see the dwarfs.

Now, just a bit about Richard Armitage and his performance (Brethil, you knew this was coming....) I read an article about the casting process and someone mentioned his ability to portray much with little to no movement. He is a master of stillness and uses it to great effect in this scene. Balin fidgets, Thorin is still. Balin reaches for him, Thorin remains motionless. The only real movement is him standing when he speaks of what he requires - Loyalty, Honor and a willing Heart. That very subtle change in posture shows us the commander and what he will ask of his troops.

But the eyes belie the stance, donít they. He knows what they face, he understands what he is asking and unlike what he *says* to Gandalf, he does feel responsible for the fate of every single member of his company. I love the juxtaposition of those broad shoulders carrying the weight of responsibility and the sadness of the eyes who have already seen too much.

Another aside - I really hope Tami Lane gets recognized for her work. She threaded a very fine needle between making a slender-faced man look like a stocky dwarf and allowing the actor the needed freedom to use the tools of his own expressions to give the performance he gave. She deserves and Oscar for that feat!

Where there's life there's hope, and need of vittles.
― J.R.R. Tolkien, The Lord of the Rings

Subject User Time
CHOWS Chapter: Bilbo's Choice Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Oct 25 2013, 4:58pm
    "The Misty Mountains Cold": a turning point? Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Oct 25 2013, 5:20pm
        Heh, heh- yes, another favourite moment indeed! elaen32 Send a private message to elaen32 Oct 25 2013, 6:49pm
            Politics behind the emotion Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Oct 26 2013, 12:10am
        Since you asked... Dame Ioreth Send a private message to Dame Ioreth Oct 25 2013, 9:23pm
            Congrats on making it to Rivendell! Kim Send a private message to Kim Oct 25 2013, 11:36pm
            Congrats on your 100th post!!!! Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Oct 26 2013, 12:22am
        Wonderful scenes, all three of them. The song, in particular, ranks as one of my favorite Middle-earth moments. Macfeast Send a private message to Macfeast Oct 26 2013, 12:28am
            Your wonderful avatar is almost back in season Macfeast! Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Oct 26 2013, 1:03am
                Jingle beards, jingle beards, jingle all the way! // Macfeast Send a private message to Macfeast Oct 26 2013, 1:29am
                    This *needs* to be a Holiday song!!!! // Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Oct 26 2013, 5:02pm
        Where Bilbo's choice really occurs Riven Delve Send a private message to Riven Delve Oct 26 2013, 12:09pm
        The Misty Mountains song is possibly my favourite moment in AUJ. Noria Send a private message to Noria Oct 26 2013, 1:42pm
            The Dwarves and the song... Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Oct 26 2013, 5:01pm
        The sparks Nunilo Send a private message to Nunilo Oct 31 2013, 11:28pm
            Nice take on the spark shot Nunilo! Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Nov 1 2013, 12:52am
    Well..... elaen32 Send a private message to elaen32 Oct 25 2013, 6:32pm
        Ok: to start with... Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Oct 26 2013, 12:01am
    One of my favorite sequences :-) Kim Send a private message to Kim Oct 25 2013, 11:28pm
        Such a great scene - how did I know you'd love it??? Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Oct 26 2013, 12:37am
    * Rubs hands* Now for Thorin (...oh and Balin too) Dame Ioreth Send a private message to Dame Ioreth Oct 25 2013, 11:32pm
        Wonderful post Dame Ioreth! Kim Send a private message to Kim Oct 25 2013, 11:43pm
            Well, garsh.... Dame Ioreth Send a private message to Dame Ioreth Oct 26 2013, 1:21am
                Again, I have to agree with you Kim Send a private message to Kim Oct 26 2013, 2:05am
                    I so agree with you Kim & Ioreth + spoilers+ elaen32 Send a private message to elaen32 Oct 26 2013, 8:09am
                        Not all who wander are lost...some OT is just fine!!! // Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Oct 26 2013, 5:03pm
    Thanks Brethil Noria Send a private message to Noria Oct 25 2013, 11:55pm
        Speaking of Golf! Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Oct 26 2013, 12:49am
    My choice too (for best chapter, that is!) Riven Delve Send a private message to Riven Delve Oct 26 2013, 11:41am
        The Bullroarer: what a good catch R-D Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Oct 26 2013, 4:47pm
    Really beautiful moments! Silwen_Peredhil Send a private message to Silwen_Peredhil Oct 28 2013, 8:44pm
        Wow Silwen, what a wonderful post! Kim Send a private message to Kim Oct 28 2013, 9:40pm
            Oh, thank you Kim! Silwen_Peredhil Send a private message to Silwen_Peredhil Oct 30 2013, 4:39pm
        Thanks to YOU Silwen! Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Oct 29 2013, 12:45am
            Thank you. :) Silwen_Peredhil Send a private message to Silwen_Peredhil Oct 30 2013, 4:51pm
                Yes, I see you in Rivendell!!!! Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Oct 30 2013, 8:27pm
    Another one of my all-time favourite scenes from The Hobbit (I think we all know why) FaramirAndEowynMorningStar Send a private message to FaramirAndEowynMorningStar Oct 29 2013, 6:35pm
        Great responses Morningstar! Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Oct 30 2013, 12:44am
            Aww, thank you, Brethil. FaramirAndEowynMorningStar Send a private message to FaramirAndEowynMorningStar Oct 30 2013, 9:46pm
                I agree.. and feel lucky to enjoy it all! Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Oct 31 2013, 12:27am
                    Agree 100% with you there. FaramirAndEowynMorningStar Send a private message to FaramirAndEowynMorningStar Oct 31 2013, 5:54pm
    All I really have to add is ... DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Oct 30 2013, 8:32pm
        Great summary Daniel... Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Oct 30 2013, 9:05pm

 
 
 

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