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One of my favorite sequences :-)

Kim
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Oct 25 2013, 11:28pm


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One of my favorite sequences :-) [In reply to] Can't Post

Thanks for the detailed post and photos Brethil – I put all my responses together. Smile

Bilbo and Gandalf:
How much do you think this conversation influenced Bilbo's choice to follow the Company? Was it the primary influence or do you see something else as stronger?
At this point, Gandalf’s argument seems to just push Bilbo even more towards wanting to stay in his comfortable hobbit hole, especially as you see him in his favorite chair with a book ready to go on the armrest. However, it certainly planted some seeds that sprouted up later. I do like how Gandalf used humor and referenced his ancestor to try to influence Bilbo.

What do you think of Gandalf's choice not to give the answer "yes" - the answer that would have served his own immediate and weighty need?
I thought this was great that he was honest with Bilbo, even if at the time it seemed to seal Bilbo’s decision not to go.

The other thing that was nice about this scene is that Gandalf finally had a straightforward conversation with Bilbo after all the muddling and confusion of the previous scenes. It gave Bilbo a chance to catch his breath and try to take everything in.

Thorin and Balin:
Does it seem to finally settle the shadow of conflict between Balin and Thorin at the table earlier, as to whether Balin can accept the Quest and stand by Thorin once and for all? Or do you think Balin still has doubts?
I do think Balin still has doubts, but he’s given Thorin his word that “they will see it done”, so he will stand by Thorin no matter what happens from this point forward.

Is this a unique and trusting relationship between Thorin and Balin, or is this a window into the soul of Dwarven culture: intense loyalty and private pain?

I can see the dwarven culture being intensely loyal and guarded with their emotions. However, I think we’re seeing a unique relationship between the prince and his trusted advisor, who has been with him since he was a boy. That’s not to say there aren’t other similar relationships among the dwarves, but I think this one is special, especially considering their roles and the unique circumstances they find themselves in. Especially for Thorin, after being given the key, it’s really lit that spark in him and made him determined to follow through on the quest, for the sake of his father and grandfather, and Balin is really the only one he can discuss this with.

BTW, Thorin’s hair looks great in this scene! Laugh

Misty Mountains song:
Firstly, what did you think of the choice of acapella for this rendition?
Absolutely wonderful. When I saw the very first teaser trailer, my first thoughts were “it looks just the same!” (i.e. we’re going back to Middle Earth) and as soon as they started singing, my breath caught and I thought “they’re singing!” (i.e. it’s something new and special). This is my absolute favorite scene – I can’t tell you how many times I’ve watched this! All those deep voices singing together - magical.

My favorite dwarf reaction is Bombur – I love how he practically tiptoes into the room.
- For example, with the brothers Ori, Nori and Dori? Ori seems very pulled in by the song, perhaps awed to be a part of this group, Dori and Nori perhaps not as much at first, but are gradually pulled in as well.
- What do Balin's actions say about how he is feeling about the Quest?
At first, he seems to be steeling himself, as in “OK, here we go”, then he gives in to it and joins in the song.
- Bifur rising first. Does this change your perceptions of him from earlier in the film?
I’ve heard that music can sometimes reach people with brain injuries more than speaking, so this was a great way to illustrate that.
- What does Thorin himself tell you with his movements?
I love it when he puts his hand over his heart. He just has to express himself with this song, and he’s not consciously trying to pull the others in, but it just happens naturally.
- Dwalin's reaction is complex and multilayered. What's happening here?
At first, his non-reaction seems to fit with his soldier status (not emotional, just here to get the job done), but then he joins in with the rest of the group in solidarity.
- Our chipper class clown, Bofur: quite a different view here isn't it?
Yes, and a really great change, for all his jokes, he understands the seriousness of their situation.
- Can you tell who was at the Mountain the day Smaug came from their reactions? Or no?
Not really, although Gloin’s far off gaze does seem more intent than, say, Nori.
- The net reaction to Thorin's singing - what do you see?
All the dwarves have come together as one unit to share this sacred song, really bonding as a company and acknowledging Thorin as their leader.

Yet as the Dwarves sing, do you think Gandalf is feeling at all confident?
No, I think he’s concerned at this point just how things are going to go.

Touching again on influences on Bilbo: how much do you think the song had upon him? In relation to Gandalf's words earlier - more influence or less?
I think he is starting to get influenced here by the dwarves plight, but still wanting to stay in his comfortable home. But this, coupled with Gandalf’s words, is really making him think hard.


What do you think about the choice of the sparks in the sky as the closing shot here? What does that image say to you?

Nice visual with the final words of the song, evoking “the trees like torches, blazed with light”.


Subject User Time
CHOWS Chapter: Bilbo's Choice Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Oct 25 2013, 4:58pm
    "The Misty Mountains Cold": a turning point? Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Oct 25 2013, 5:20pm
        Heh, heh- yes, another favourite moment indeed! elaen32 Send a private message to elaen32 Oct 25 2013, 6:49pm
            Politics behind the emotion Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Oct 26 2013, 12:10am
        Since you asked... Dame Ioreth Send a private message to Dame Ioreth Oct 25 2013, 9:23pm
            Congrats on making it to Rivendell! Kim Send a private message to Kim Oct 25 2013, 11:36pm
            Congrats on your 100th post!!!! Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Oct 26 2013, 12:22am
        Wonderful scenes, all three of them. The song, in particular, ranks as one of my favorite Middle-earth moments. Macfeast Send a private message to Macfeast Oct 26 2013, 12:28am
            Your wonderful avatar is almost back in season Macfeast! Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Oct 26 2013, 1:03am
                Jingle beards, jingle beards, jingle all the way! // Macfeast Send a private message to Macfeast Oct 26 2013, 1:29am
                    This *needs* to be a Holiday song!!!! // Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Oct 26 2013, 5:02pm
        Where Bilbo's choice really occurs Riven Delve Send a private message to Riven Delve Oct 26 2013, 12:09pm
        The Misty Mountains song is possibly my favourite moment in AUJ. Noria Send a private message to Noria Oct 26 2013, 1:42pm
            The Dwarves and the song... Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Oct 26 2013, 5:01pm
        The sparks Nunilo Send a private message to Nunilo Oct 31 2013, 11:28pm
            Nice take on the spark shot Nunilo! Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Nov 1 2013, 12:52am
    Well..... elaen32 Send a private message to elaen32 Oct 25 2013, 6:32pm
        Ok: to start with... Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Oct 26 2013, 12:01am
    One of my favorite sequences :-) Kim Send a private message to Kim Oct 25 2013, 11:28pm
        Such a great scene - how did I know you'd love it??? Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Oct 26 2013, 12:37am
    * Rubs hands* Now for Thorin (...oh and Balin too) Dame Ioreth Send a private message to Dame Ioreth Oct 25 2013, 11:32pm
        Wonderful post Dame Ioreth! Kim Send a private message to Kim Oct 25 2013, 11:43pm
            Well, garsh.... Dame Ioreth Send a private message to Dame Ioreth Oct 26 2013, 1:21am
                Again, I have to agree with you Kim Send a private message to Kim Oct 26 2013, 2:05am
                    I so agree with you Kim & Ioreth + spoilers+ elaen32 Send a private message to elaen32 Oct 26 2013, 8:09am
                        Not all who wander are lost...some OT is just fine!!! // Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Oct 26 2013, 5:03pm
    Thanks Brethil Noria Send a private message to Noria Oct 25 2013, 11:55pm
        Speaking of Golf! Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Oct 26 2013, 12:49am
    My choice too (for best chapter, that is!) Riven Delve Send a private message to Riven Delve Oct 26 2013, 11:41am
        The Bullroarer: what a good catch R-D Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Oct 26 2013, 4:47pm
    Really beautiful moments! Silwen_Peredhil Send a private message to Silwen_Peredhil Oct 28 2013, 8:44pm
        Wow Silwen, what a wonderful post! Kim Send a private message to Kim Oct 28 2013, 9:40pm
            Oh, thank you Kim! Silwen_Peredhil Send a private message to Silwen_Peredhil Oct 30 2013, 4:39pm
        Thanks to YOU Silwen! Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Oct 29 2013, 12:45am
            Thank you. :) Silwen_Peredhil Send a private message to Silwen_Peredhil Oct 30 2013, 4:51pm
                Yes, I see you in Rivendell!!!! Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Oct 30 2013, 8:27pm
    Another one of my all-time favourite scenes from The Hobbit (I think we all know why) FaramirAndEowynMorningStar Send a private message to FaramirAndEowynMorningStar Oct 29 2013, 6:35pm
        Great responses Morningstar! Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Oct 30 2013, 12:44am
            Aww, thank you, Brethil. FaramirAndEowynMorningStar Send a private message to FaramirAndEowynMorningStar Oct 30 2013, 9:46pm
                I agree.. and feel lucky to enjoy it all! Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Oct 31 2013, 12:27am
                    Agree 100% with you there. FaramirAndEowynMorningStar Send a private message to FaramirAndEowynMorningStar Oct 31 2013, 5:54pm
    All I really have to add is ... DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Oct 30 2013, 8:32pm
        Great summary Daniel... Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Oct 30 2013, 9:05pm

 
 
 

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