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The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey Extended Edition NOW AVAILABLE on iTunes (US)

nusilver
Rohan

Oct 23 2013, 4:37pm

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The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey Extended Edition NOW AVAILABLE on iTunes (US) Can't Post

Hey everyone, it looks like they solved whatever issues there were with The Hobbit - it's available on iTunes right now.

Enjoy!


ecthelionsbeard
Lorien

Oct 23 2013, 4:42pm

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I can't believe it!!! [In reply to] Can't Post

It's there. It's really there?!!! Thank you for posting!!


Arannir
Valinor


Oct 23 2013, 4:43pm

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Are tu subtitles and commentaries on there this time ^^? [In reply to] Can't Post

 



ďA dragon is no idle fancy. Whatever may be his origins, in fact or invention, the dragon in legend is a potent creation of menís imagination, richer in significance than his barrow is in gold.Ē J.R.R. Tolkien

Words of wisdom that should be remembered - both by critics, purists and anyone in between.


nusilver
Rohan

Oct 23 2013, 4:44pm

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and now to find 16GB+ of free space... [In reply to] Can't Post

Yes, and now I'm trying to figure out how to clear up 16gb of free space for special features. I'll just stream the movie to my Apple TV. :)


Elessar
Valinor


Oct 23 2013, 4:53pm

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Awesome! [In reply to] Can't Post

I will be downloading it tonight. Cool



Arannir
Valinor


Oct 23 2013, 4:54pm

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Not available yet in Germany btw. [In reply to] Can't Post

 



ďA dragon is no idle fancy. Whatever may be his origins, in fact or invention, the dragon in legend is a potent creation of menís imagination, richer in significance than his barrow is in gold.Ē J.R.R. Tolkien

Words of wisdom that should be remembered - both by critics, purists and anyone in between.


Dragonrnbw
Rivendell

Oct 23 2013, 4:57pm

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I know what I am buying WB for Xmas [In reply to] Can't Post

A CALENDAR!!!!!

Do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons, for thou are crunchy and taste good with ketchup!


Eye's on Guard
Lorien


Oct 23 2013, 5:01pm

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Looks like they could use a new technical department... [In reply to] Can't Post

This may have been the issue.


Arannir
Valinor


Oct 23 2013, 5:05pm

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Yap, would like to know whether this was fixed orsomething else was the issue. [In reply to] Can't Post

But I doubt that the fixed version will show up in Germany today... I guess we can be lucky here if it shows up within the next days ;)



ďA dragon is no idle fancy. Whatever may be his origins, in fact or invention, the dragon in legend is a potent creation of menís imagination, richer in significance than his barrow is in gold.Ē J.R.R. Tolkien

Words of wisdom that should be remembered - both by critics, purists and anyone in between.


Dragonrnbw
Rivendell

Oct 23 2013, 5:14pm

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Will let you know [In reply to] Can't Post

If I can get it downloaded. Shocked As of right now I have 42 hours remaining on my download!!! Crazy I have also gotten two messages that it can't download it due to a problem and yet I see it is downloadingUnimpressed
I may actually get it before DOS Smile or not Unsure

Do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons, for thou are crunchy and taste good with ketchup!


Arannir
Valinor


Oct 23 2013, 5:25pm

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Thanks ;) [In reply to] Can't Post

Seems like it appears in several countries now (US, UK, Australia, Denmark,...)



ďA dragon is no idle fancy. Whatever may be his origins, in fact or invention, the dragon in legend is a potent creation of menís imagination, richer in significance than his barrow is in gold.Ē J.R.R. Tolkien

Words of wisdom that should be remembered - both by critics, purists and anyone in between.


nusilver
Rohan

Oct 23 2013, 5:29pm

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also missing subtitles. [In reply to] Can't Post


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This may have been the issue.



Yes. It was also missing the Elvish and Orcish subtitles, plus all other english subtitles, either ones that were selectable, or those that were forced (i.e. 60 years earlier...)


Faleel
Rohan

Oct 23 2013, 5:31pm

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Wouldnt [In reply to] Can't Post

60 years later/earlier be gone anyways?


nusilver
Rohan

Oct 23 2013, 5:36pm

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possibly... [In reply to] Can't Post


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60 years later/earlier be gone anyways?


despite the additional scenes, there's still a bit of narration, i.e. old Bilbo intercut in. So, not sure they would've deliberately taken them out. I'll check soon, though: with my internet, I can't download the extras *and* stream the movie to my TV at the same time.


nusilver
Rohan

Oct 23 2013, 5:58pm

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it's a quick fix. It's *not* fixed all the way :( [In reply to] Can't Post

So...yeah. They added the "60 years earlier..." back in, along with the elvish/orcish narration. But it's not hard coded onto the image in fancy lettering like it's supposed to be - it shows up as digital subtitles. Looks like my guess about the delay was right on the money.

There's also no commentary track I can find.


Lindele
Gondor


Oct 23 2013, 7:04pm

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This is how [In reply to] Can't Post

the theatrical digital version was as well. I don't think it is an 'accident'...it is just in a different format and doesn't need the distracting ugly giant text on the screen.


adnan
Rivendell


Oct 23 2013, 7:11pm

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Great... [In reply to] Can't Post

However, I prefer to own hard-copies of films, so will patiently wait for the Blu Ray.

Rivendell


nusilver
Rohan

Oct 23 2013, 7:20pm

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sure, but it's still wrong [In reply to] Can't Post


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the theatrical digital version was as well. I don't think it is an 'accident'...it is just in a different format and doesn't need the distracting ugly giant text on the screen.


I mean, that's fine if you feel that way, but "60 years earlier..." isn't actually a subtitle - it's a title card that sets up a scene. It shouldn't be dead center if they didn't visualize it that way, it should be off to the left, in the font they chose when creating the film. That's like how Paramount released Do the Right Thing on Blu-ray but eradicated the yellow color palette that the DP intended.

The only digital version I have for the theatrical release is the Flixster one that came with the Blu-ray, and that looked like it was supposed to.

Thanks for the info, though - it's good to know. :)


Avandel
Half-elven

Oct 23 2013, 10:43pm

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Thank you but I gave up and wouldn't work anyway on PC [In reply to] Can't Post

E.g got a message installing itunes that it wouldn't run on my new laptop. Have some IT help who could probably make it work, but don't think it should all be so complicated. Wanted the Blu-ray anyway, mainly, just got too excited. Plus think it should have been available through Amazon......happy for those will finally get a copy tho, what a debacle. And with me they lost money re the digital and a hardcopy - excitement was replaced by irritation.


Aragorn the Elfstone
Tol Eressea


Oct 24 2013, 1:28am

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My Extended Edition Review (SPOILERS) [In reply to] Can't Post

Ended up caving and bought the iTunes version for instant gratification. Cool I figured I'd already spoiled myself on so many of the new scenes, that I wanted to see the damned thing before I ended viewing all the rest of the bits on Youtube. I have no self control. Crazy As others have covered what the new material is already, I'm just going to discuss my impressions.

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I remember seeing An Unexpected Journey for the first time in theaters, and being heartbroken at how lukewarm I was towards it. Some of this had to do with misplaced expectations, and some of it had to do with actual shortcomings on the part of the film (in my opinion, anyway). I have warmed up to it considerably since then, however, and this extended cut carries me further along on that path. I believe it is a stronger film for the additions, and honestly I don't see why this couldn't have been the theatrical cut. The film was already running near 3 hours, and the 13 minutes restored here, though sparse, inject the film with some heart and character that were sorely missing before.

Words cannot express how critical much of the restored Rivendell sequence is to this film. First and foremost, I want to talk about Bilbo. I think many of us felt that he was kind of forgotten about in this section of the theatrical cut. I believe that the cuts made here may have been the chief reason I didn't connect with the film more initially. Bilbo's character arc is (or should be) the centerpiece of the film. But in the theatrical cut, he barely sees any development until his encounter with Gollum. Until then, he's just following along on the journey. But the restored footage in the extended cut puts an entirely different spin on this. In Rivendell, Bilbo discovers the magic and beauty of Rivendell, he's given a chance to stay - thanks to Elrond's invitation, he shares a very intimate moment with Thorin (thereby providing the first strands of their bond), and makes the most brave decision of carrying on with the quest. This added material reverberates throughout the rest of the film. When Bilbo glances back at Rivendell, resolving to follow the dwarves, it is now one of Bilbo's finest moments in the film. Thorin's rebuke after the Stone Giant sequence now hurts all the more, and Bilbo's impulse to return to Rivendell now has much clearer context. He is not someone who is simply running back home after being yanked around the countryside. He had made the decision to stick by his new companions, and has been rebuked for it - by someone he thought he was beginning to have a clearer understanding with. Bilbo's strong development throughout these sections sets the stage for his misadventures in Goblin Town and Gollum's cave - and gives an incredibly strong emotional resonance to his statements and actions in the final moments of the film.

The added material also benefits the dwarves greatly. Thorin benefits from moments like his shock at Thror's insult to Thranduil. I think this shows an initial respect on his part toward the elves, and makes his sense of betrayal and eventual hatred toward them all the more impactful. Also, the scene on the balcony in Rivendell, creates a connection to Bilbo that fully brings alive their scenes later in the film. The rest of the dwarves are enriched as well. I got the sense in the theatrical cut that Bofur was just on the edge of being a standout character in the film, and here we get many great moments from him (including his fantastic musical performance!) that allows him to be one of the movie's most memorable characters. Various additions for him, as well as Nori, Oin, Kili, and the others, allow many of the dwarves to be more the passing faces they were before.

A couple of the smaller additions are actually some of my favorites. The addition of the Midsummer's Eve party with young Bilbo is a great little snippet that connects Gandalf to him, his family, and the Shire. I remember when I saw the film, McKellen's line delivery struck me as a little odd in his first scene with Freeman. I feel like the flashback scene more properly sets up this encounter. Gandalf is expecting to find the adventurous hobbit he remembers, and is caught completely off guard by what he sees in Bilbo. Not that we don't get a bit of that without the scene, but I do feel like it clarifies it and sets it up better. I also like Bilbo's time in the market, as it opens up the Shire a bit more and shows more of his love for his home. And, of course, anytime we get more dialogue between McKellen and Christopher Lee is a major bonus. That, in conjunction with the glimpse at Narsil and the Last Alliance painting, was great for building up the atmosphere of danger to come. But what I really love is the exchange between Gandalf and Bilbo prior to coming out of the Hidden Path. I remember feeling that Rivendell didn't seem to give off that sense of awe that the original trilogy gave to it. But setting it up with Bilbo feeling the "magic" of the Elves, gives that grand entrance a different impact. I think it also provides a wonderful explanation to audience members who felt that Rivendell seemed to pop up out of nowhere. This exchange, along with all the Rivendell additions, really restored the Last Homely House to that awe-inspiring and breathtaking paradise that I remembered.

One cannot go without speaking of 'Down, Down to Goblin Town'. Cool I'm of two minds here. I'm not entirely sure that the style of song that was executed here is appropriate for Middle Earth. I agree with others who have said that it comes off a bit too modern. That said - I love it. It's pure lunacy. Laugh It gives the Goblins a completely bizarre and wacky entrance, and sets them far, far apart from the Orcs. In the theatrical cut, the Goblin Town sequence came off as Moria-lite, but this new introduction sets an insanely nutty tone, that lets you know that this is vastly new territory (as is the film itself).

Though this material did not add up to much screen time in comparison to the LotR EEs, I do feel it made a very positive impact on the film in just the right places. That is not to say that I have no lingering issues with the film. I still think that it drags a bit between Bag End and the Trollshaws (I remain very lukewarm toward the Moria flashback), and I remain unimpressed by Azog - though he fares better in the Extended Edition (the added material provides more time away from his subplot, lessening it's impact).

...and bunny sleigh. I'm getting used to it, but wth was Peter thinking?! Tongue

All said, I enjoyed the Extended Cut immensely - and am incredibly excited to see The Desolation of Smaug. Last year, I was expecting another film in the vein of The Lord of the Rings. But now I know what it is PJ is up to with these films, and am geared up and ready to see the next Hobbit film.

"All men dream; but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds awake to find that it was vanity; But the dreamers of day are dangerous men. That they may act their dreams with open eyes to make it possible."
- T.E. Lawrence


(This post was edited by Aragorn the Elfstone on Oct 24 2013, 1:35am)


Eye's on Guard
Lorien


Oct 24 2013, 1:41am

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Thank you, Aragorn the Elfstone! [In reply to] Can't Post

This was a great review! I have seen a couple of segments that popped up online, and they didn't impress me that much at first...something seemed strange about the editing of the new Rivendell material and like you said, "Down to Goblin Town" is a just a bit wacky. However, I think these will work better for me in the context of the entire film, especially with the other parts I haven't seen. My anticipation is officially renewed for November 5th!


Owain
Tol Eressea


Oct 24 2013, 3:57am

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The new scenes are great so far. [In reply to] Can't Post

I'm enjoying the Extended Edition a lot.

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Xanaseb
Tol Eressea


Oct 29 2013, 10:38am

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anyone have any info on the Appendices? :D // [In reply to] Can't Post

 

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