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Are PJ & Co. "lurking" on TORn's MBs & Facebook page? What a silly thought...

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Oct 21 2013, 10:47pm


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Are PJ & Co. "lurking" on TORn's MBs & Facebook page? What a silly thought... Can't Post

Let's see how ridiculous such an assertion as the above might be, shall we?

1) Arwen: During the filming of LotR, PJ & Co. inserted Arwen's character fighting alongside Aragorn's at Helm's Deep. Upon hearing this "speculative rumor", a large number of Tolkien fans (previously also known as "Ringers") made their opinions of displeasure known via almost all forms of social media, including TORn's MBs, and the "movement" gained traction. PJ & Co. subsequently edited out those scenes stating (paraphrased), "After writing and filming a lot of off-canon material for LotR, we often found that the original text worked better" while claiming that the displeasure of countless Tolkien fans (aka possible movie ticket buyers) were never a deciding factor.

2) Itaril: With the release of the character / cast list of 'The Hobbit', Tolkien fans found out that Saoirse Ronan had been cast as Itaril whom would somewhat be the equivalent of the previously unnamed Chief of the Elven Guard character in the book. Part of Itaril's character synopsis mentioned she would have a romantic connection with an elf-lord. After Tolkien fans heard of this "speculative rumor" with many fearing the elf-lord mentioned would be Legolas and that the 16 y/o Ronan would play an out-of-context, "bad-ass" female, elven warrior, they made their displeasure widely known through the same channels. Shortly thereafter, Saoirse Ronan announced she was backing out of the role stating she had "other obligations" (which, btw, would've undoubtedly been reconciled by her "people" before ever being cast for the part) and coined the phrase, "I don't like hairy feet" of which she is probably more in/famous for now than any of her acting roles.

3) Tauriel: Shortly after Ronan's departure from the project, PJ & Co. announced that Eve Lily had been cast for the part of Tauriel, whom will now portray the Chief of the Elven Guard's character. Now here's the part, if you've been paying attention, that's really telling: PJ made it a point to specifically deny those "speculative rumors" while stating that Tauriel's character will have no romantic connection to Legolas. (Sounds like somebody's lurking...) At that time, many Ringers (notice that at this point I no longer refer to them as Tolkien fans) firmly stated (in speculation, btw) that Tauriel was not a re-write of Itaril's character despite obvious evidence to the contrary.

4) I <3 Hot Dwarves.: After releasing press photos of Thorin & Co. which portray the king and many other dwarves with uncharacteristically short or non-existent beards, Tolkien fans became upset by their obvious appearance divergences from specifically described characters and their cultures in the book. In an apparent attempt to explain the divergences while assuaging fan reaction to them, PJ & Richard Armitage made many statements to the press regarding "the need for the audience to connect with the characters and for the actor's facial movements & expressions to not be hidden by prosthetics. (An aside, topical question: Do you think Ian McKellen's substantial beard prosthetics in LotR hampered your ability to "connect" with his portrayal of Gandalf's character? Yeah, I didn't think so either.) Phillipa Boyens also made it a point in one SDCC interview to state that she & Fran "ganged up" on PJ to make Thorin the hunky, dwarf king they & so many fangirls have fallen in love with.

5) Tauriel re-visited: After a great deal of Tolkien fans became upset by Tauriel's addition, E. Lily began giving interviews in which she made it a point to state how much of a Tolkien purist she is (lol) and, despite taking the non-canon role, believes that PJ, Fran & Phillipa know Tolkien more than anybody else. Lily also stated (paraphrased), "When watching a movie dominated by a male cast, people (especially women) feel a relief when they finally see a woman character". Phillipa Boyens then started talking double-speak in her interviews stating something to the effect of, "We didn't add Tauriel as a pandering gimmick. We felt that there wasn't enough female energy to attract audiences so we invented Tauriel." (Doesn't that sound like the exact definition of a pandering gimmick?)

6) Happy Hobbits: God Bless those two girls but they are the exact embodiment of everything I believe is wrong about these vapid 'Hobbit' movies. They are obviously the "demographic" PJ & Co. are so desperately trying to excite without any regard to Tolkien's words, works or fans. I've done a little research and found that these girls have the same unique last name as one of the movie's writers. (Coincidence? Not sure, but it wouldn't surprise me if they were related.) These girls honestly remind me of the young girls who were planted by the record company at Beatles' early shows to scream & pee their pants in extreme excitement so that others, through herd mentality, would do & think the same. They interestingly enough came out of left field about a year ago at a very convenient time when fan anticipation of AUJ was significantly wavering. They've also named themselves after the dwarves they think are the "hottest".(gag!) They've made fan videos of themselves watching trailers for AUJ & DOS which depict them overly excited & giddy like schoolgirls watching Twilight for the first time. "Somehow" their video got into the hands of PJ & Co. whom then used it as a social media "love-fest-o-gram" with Lily, Bloom & Pace all recorded enjoying their giddy, schoolgirl excitement and giving their giddy, schoolgirl reactions. Of course, everything comes full-circle with the Happy Hobbits filming their reactions to the cast's reactions to their reactions of the initial trailer. The whole (impromptu?) scenario has apparently made every Ringer & giddy schoolgirl wish they were these two fans, created more "buzz" for the movies and affirmed for everyone, especially giddy schoolgirls, that these movie's are "Kid Tested & Twilight Approved". Obviously, PJ & Co. weren't lurking then, right?

7) Tauriel re-romanced: Lily & Aiden confirmed in interviews that Kili will have some "feelings" for Tauriel. The DOS trailer confirms, through Thranduil's dialogue, that Legolas indeed has some "feelings" for Tauriel, as well. Now when they use the words "feelings" make no mistake, they don't mean the plutonic type of "feelings" because there would be no need to mention such obvious "feelings" if they were only that. Also, many people have stated that PJ & Co. have created a false "romance" between Legolas & Tauriel in the trailers to attract that type of movie audience demographic.

Sincere & obvious question: Do you really think after all of these examples of "fan action / subsequent cast reaction" that PJ & Co. aren't lurking, either through personal assistants or PR personnel, to find out the "temperature" of opinions from both the Ringer & Tolkien fan demographics? One thing is certain for sure: if someone claims that PJ & Co. are only giving the impression of a Tauriel-Legolas romance in the trailers to bring in a certain type of fan demographic, they cannot then back-pedal all of that by saying PJ & Co. do not care & are not influenced by fan reactions. Fan reactions to these movies are voiced through countless social media & discussion groups, not the least of which is TORn's MBs & Facebook page.

I think it is obvious that PJ & Co. are definitely "lurking" on social media to some degree despite what others would conveniently have you believe and then subsequently disbelieve when it is beneficial to their biased opinion(s) and possible agenda(s).

Think about all of that but, most of all, think for yourself.

Gandalf receives no welcome at all when he re-enters Meduseld. He stands before King Theoden perceived to be a meddler, trouble-maker, and bearer of woes. Such has been the success of Grima Wormtongue.

"Ill news is an ill guest."

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Are PJ & Co. "lurking" on TORn's MBs & Facebook page? What a silly thought... g-stormcrow Oct 21 2013, 10:47pm
    A lot of things point in that direction, yes MechaGodzilla Send a private message to MechaGodzilla Oct 21 2013, 11:02pm
        I have strongly suspected... ecthelionsbeard Send a private message to ecthelionsbeard Oct 22 2013, 12:02am
    Probably not, especially when they're busy morro91 Send a private message to morro91 Oct 21 2013, 11:07pm
        True. I guess the appropriate first words to the OT would've been "Were" instead of "Are" g-stormcrow Oct 21 2013, 11:37pm
    I do have to say... Arannir Send a private message to Arannir Oct 21 2013, 11:26pm
        The final point is the last line of the OT g-stormcrow Oct 22 2013, 12:20am
            It actually was a question. Arannir Send a private message to Arannir Oct 22 2013, 7:36am
    So Aitieuriskon Send a private message to Aitieuriskon Oct 22 2013, 12:20am
        It was an open ended question g-stormcrow Oct 22 2013, 1:08am
            Well.. Kelvarhin Send a private message to Kelvarhin Oct 22 2013, 9:10am
        I believe the girls/young ladies said they are TheoneRing staffers. So no I am trying AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Oct 22 2013, 2:32am
    I was (mostly) with you demnation Send a private message to demnation Oct 22 2013, 12:31am
        Hence the OT's first line, "Let's see how ridiculous such an assertion..." g-stormcrow Oct 22 2013, 1:13am
            Sure, I suppose demnation Send a private message to demnation Oct 22 2013, 1:43am
    You maybe onto something Ziggy Stardust Send a private message to Ziggy Stardust Oct 22 2013, 1:02am
        Ziggy IS a hero. Damn any name borrowing goons who follow after. lol AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Oct 22 2013, 2:33am
            You're right! Ziggy Stardust Send a private message to Ziggy Stardust Oct 23 2013, 12:26am
    I refuse to confirm or deny that I am one of the writers. Now where did I park my Gulf Stream Jet. ElendilTheShort Send a private message to ElendilTheShort Oct 22 2013, 1:16am
        *taps Elendil on the shoulder firmly, and looks out from beneath the bushy brows of one of my Earthy incarnations* AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Oct 22 2013, 2:35am
        But do you accept bribes? // Faenoriel Send a private message to Faenoriel Oct 22 2013, 10:01am
            it would be rude not to. ElendilTheShort Send a private message to ElendilTheShort Oct 23 2013, 8:01am
    Two Tauriel howlers DwellerInDale Send a private message to DwellerInDale Oct 22 2013, 3:25am
    PJ and New Line were one of the pioneers of direct studio/fan interaction Altaira Send a private message to Altaira Oct 22 2013, 4:08am
    I do think for myself.... dormouse Send a private message to dormouse Oct 22 2013, 8:40am
        Amen to that // Eruvandi Send a private message to Eruvandi Oct 22 2013, 2:20pm
    I think it would be silly not to. RosieBaggins Send a private message to RosieBaggins Oct 22 2013, 11:27am
    Altaira and Dormouse, I agree with you both. Noria Send a private message to Noria Oct 22 2013, 12:36pm
        Just wondering where you got this idea from... Salmacis81 Send a private message to Salmacis81 Oct 22 2013, 1:59pm
            Just an oversimplification Noria Send a private message to Noria Oct 22 2013, 2:35pm
                No I didn't take offense :) Salmacis81 Send a private message to Salmacis81 Oct 22 2013, 9:34pm
    Reaching and Aggresive Elessar Send a private message to Elessar Oct 22 2013, 1:32pm
    Wrong on several points entmaiden Send a private message to entmaiden Oct 22 2013, 4:24pm
        This is how I see it Noria Send a private message to Noria Oct 22 2013, 4:46pm
            Any creative person entmaiden Send a private message to entmaiden Oct 22 2013, 5:55pm
        Del Toro used to come here though, unless I am much deceived, and that was AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Oct 22 2013, 11:35pm
            He did, but he didn't lurk entmaiden Send a private message to entmaiden Oct 23 2013, 12:36am
    If they are... Eowyn of Penns Woods Send a private message to Eowyn of Penns Woods Oct 23 2013, 1:18am
        She'll get you... DwellerInDale Send a private message to DwellerInDale Oct 23 2013, 2:12am
    Huh? pulpfiction16 Send a private message to pulpfiction16 Oct 23 2013, 11:27pm

 
 
 

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