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SCOD: Faramir and Pippin

FaramirAndEowynMorningStar
Rohan


Oct 21 2013, 3:21pm

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Welcome to the next Screencap of the Day.

Here are the images:



You can find the full sized images here and here.

This is one of my favourite scenes in the Return of the King because we get to see Faramir laugh! Smile
As always, feel free to answer any or all the questions.

1) What do you think of the composition of the images?

2) What do you think about the lighting?

3) What is your opinion of the friendship between these two characters?

4) Because this is an extended scene, would you have preferred it in the normal theatrical version?

5) "I think you have the strength of a different kind, and one day your father will see it."
What do you think about Pippin's observations, as I thought this was a slight unexpected remark from him?

6) Any other thoughts/comments about this scene?

....."Loyalty, Honor,
......A Willing Heart.
I can ask no more than that."

...... ~ Thorin Oakenshield


One Ringer
Tol Eressea


Oct 22 2013, 1:35pm

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Always enjoy these sort of scenes, [In reply to] Can't Post

the ones where you get a brief glimpse of the larger story within the books. Pippin's misadventures in Minas Tirith is something I enjoy a lot in the book, particularly because I'm a fan of sequences when a character is thrust into an unknown place and makes discoveries for themselves. With regards to this scene, I think it's key to give Pippin a link to Minas Tirith, because up until this point he holds no real attachment to it and would rather be away. As we end up seeing, Faramir becomes the source of his courage/determination during the siege; I don't think it would have played out very well if this scene wasn't a little bit warm, and they nailed it. Smile

"You do not let your eyes see nor your ears hear, and that which is outside your daily life is not of account to you. Ah, it is the fault of our science that it wants to explain all; and if it explain not, then it says there is nothing to explain."


FaramirAndEowynMorningStar
Rohan


Oct 22 2013, 4:14pm

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That is very true, One Ringer. [In reply to] Can't Post

Thanks for the comment. Wink

....."Loyalty, Honor,
......A Willing Heart.
I can ask no more than that."

...... ~ Thorin Oakenshield


Riven Delve
Grey Havens


Oct 22 2013, 5:05pm

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The beginning of a lifelong friendship [In reply to] Can't Post


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1) What do you think of the composition of the images? When I rewatched this scene, I was struck by the towering pillars of the hall. They seem to reinforce the idea (and, in fact, the the conversation) that Faramir has a great deal to live up to, and to hold up, both in the future of his people and in his father's expectations of him. And yet the camera is careful to show us Pippin looking up to Faramir--perhaps in more ways than one.

3) What is your opinion of the friendship between these two characters? I think it's great, since they are two of my top five favorite characters in LOTR! They have this in common: they are both somewhat "outcasts"--Pippin as the fool of a Took and fellowship clown, and Faramir as his father's "second-rate" son. Yet Pippin clearly sees Faramir's worth, and Faramir does not scorn Pip, either for his size or his apparent uselessness.

4) Because this is an extended scene, would you have preferred it in the normal theatrical version? I like the scene a lot, for the reasons listed above, but I'm not enough of a film editor to determine if would slow down the pace too much. Smile

5) "I think you have the strength of a different kind, and one day your father will see it."
What do you think about Pippin's observations, as I thought this was a slight unexpected remark from him?
Yes, I found the remark unexpected too! Pip doesn't often think very deeply, so this remark is a bit of a surprise. However, we find unexpected depths to Pippin in Minas Tirith in the film (think of Pippin's song). It's a pleasure to see his character arc move! Wink

The thing is, I would think that it is obvious to pretty much everyone that Faramir is a man of strength and a son to be proud of...but I'm not sure Denethor ever did see that in the film (in contrast to the book). Unsure

6) Any other thoughts/comments about this scene?
I like that Gandalf's line from the book that generous deeds should not be checked by cold counsel was given to Faramir. It lets us see how different he is from both his father and Boromir, and gives a good opening for his friendship with Pippin.

And...it's clear that both of these guys took time before the great battle to visit the same hair stylist...or could they actually be long-lost brothers? Shocked Sly




"Our perennial spiritual and psychological task is to look at things familiar until they become unfamiliar again." --G. K. Chesterton



(This post was edited by Riven Delve on Oct 22 2013, 5:09pm)


elaen32
Gondor


Oct 22 2013, 7:48pm

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I always loved the friendship between Faramir and Pippin in the book [In reply to] Can't Post

 and was so glad that they included it here. I can see why it wasn't in the TE, but so glad it was put back into the EE. Faramir and Pippin are both, in their way, "heirs apparent" - in the book we are not told what opinion Pippin's father has of his son, but in the movie, we get the impression that Pippin is possibly a bit of a disappointment. In this, he relates well to Faramir's position. Pippin was also friends with Boromir and Boromir died trying to protect him and Merry. Hence another bond with Faramir, who loved his brother well.
Is Pippin's comment to Faramir concerning Denethor's regard a bit unexpected? Yes, it is really and I am not sure that it is something that book Pippin would have said. However, I think that the film makers get away with it by showing that Pippin is, perhaps, relating it to his own experiences.
In the book, I love the fact that Pippin calls his first born son, Faramir. I wonder if Faramir and Eowyn called any of their children Peregrin or Meriadoc?

1) What do you think of the composition of the images?

2) What do you think about the lighting?

3) What is your opinion of the friendship between these two characters?

4) Because this is an extended scene, would you have preferred it in the normal theatrical version?

5) "I think you have the strength of a different kind, and one day your father will see it."
What do you think about Pippin's observations, as I thought this was a slight unexpected remark from him?

6) Any other thoughts/comments about this scene?



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FaramirAndEowynMorningStar
Rohan


Oct 23 2013, 7:33pm

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I wish we had more about Faramir and Eowyn in the books... [In reply to] Can't Post

I think they were a great couple (hence the reason for my name :P ). Perhaps they did name one of their children Peregrin or Meriadoc, but we only know that they had one son, Elboron. It would have been sweet if they did have more children and named one of them after their two hobbit friends. Smile

Good answers there, elaen! Wink

....."Loyalty, Honor,
......A Willing Heart.
I can ask no more than that."

...... ~ Thorin Oakenshield

 
 

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