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Agreed. Funny thing, I was actually very much looking forward to the scene...

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Oct 20 2013, 2:59pm


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Agreed. Funny thing, I was actually very much looking forward to the scene... [In reply to] Can't Post

and wondering why it was left out of the theatrical. Then I read about and saw it and thanked God it was left out of the theatrical. lol

Aside from the power imbalance, it raised too many questions. If The Witch-King had so easily broken Gandalf's staff and had him, seemingly, at his mercy (now, you and I and those of us who follow things closely will get that even sans staff nothing was certain for The Witch-King, and that Gandalf continued his battle with the Balrog and was still able to call upon great power despite his staff having been lost on the bridge... but for the casual viewer), why would he not press the attack? Surely whatever was going on in the field could wait another five minutes if it meant taking the oppositions greatest player off the board? In the actual scene, the Witch-King is caught between two uncertainties, and he chooses to adress the issue he is likely more certain of effecting in a way that will work to his benefit. He leaves off from an uncertain and inevitably taxing battle with another Power, and instead goes to wreak havoc on the newly arrived, but entirely mortal and susceptible to his power, ally troops of his foes. It makes sense. It doesn't make so much sense in the film. Ah well. What the hell. lol

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He alone is left to forbid the entrance of the Lord of Nazgûl to Minas Tirith, when the City has been overthrown and its Gates destroyed — and yet so powerful is the whole train of human resistance, that he himself has kindled and organized, that in fact no battle between the two occurs: it passes to other mortal hands. (Letter 156 To Robert Murray, SJ, once again)






I think the seen is poorly executed, and the shattering of the staff both looks and seems ridiculous, but they do successfully demonstrate that Gandalf was successful in his real task; inspiring human resistance to Sauron's dominance, wonderfully evoked by the Horns of Rohan.

I saw a fan edit once that removed the staff-shattering and instead had the Horns sound right after the WitchKing's "‘Old fool! This is my hour. Do you not know Death when you see it?" speech, and I thought it came off wonderfully (although generally I don't like fan edits).


"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!"

"Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."

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Rumor: TDOS running time 156 minutes Estel78 Send a private message to Estel78 Oct 18 2013, 7:55pm
    If its shorter Elessar Send a private message to Elessar Oct 18 2013, 8:01pm
        NOOOOOOOOOOOO Gollum's_Apprentice Send a private message to Gollum's_Apprentice Oct 18 2013, 8:14pm
            No proof for that at all. Arannir Send a private message to Arannir Oct 18 2013, 8:28pm
                There may not be proof, but I think, if it is true, there the suspiscion is a sound one. AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Oct 18 2013, 8:59pm
        Also means that the EE might be longer than just 13 minutes... Salmacis81 Send a private message to Salmacis81 Oct 18 2013, 8:21pm
            wb Gollum's_Apprentice Send a private message to Gollum's_Apprentice Oct 18 2013, 8:28pm
                If 156 minutes is accurate... Salmacis81 Send a private message to Salmacis81 Oct 18 2013, 8:32pm
                    i want pjs film Gollum's_Apprentice Send a private message to Gollum's_Apprentice Oct 18 2013, 8:36pm
                        How do you know this ISN'T "pjs film"? Salmacis81 Send a private message to Salmacis81 Oct 18 2013, 8:41pm
                            pj does not make middle earth films SHORTER than their predecessors Gollum's_Apprentice Send a private message to Gollum's_Apprentice Oct 18 2013, 8:45pm
                                The story is already being stretched out enough as it is... Salmacis81 Send a private message to Salmacis81 Oct 18 2013, 8:55pm
                                That running time sounds realistic Fleuz Send a private message to Fleuz Oct 18 2013, 8:55pm
                                He doesn't? Arannir Send a private message to Arannir Oct 18 2013, 9:40pm
                                    Agree Skaan Send a private message to Skaan Oct 18 2013, 9:55pm
                                        i dont care how long it is Gollum's_Apprentice Send a private message to Gollum's_Apprentice Oct 18 2013, 10:11pm
                            The problem with the "more for extended" arguement, is that sometimes putting aside hurts the main film AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Oct 18 2013, 9:05pm
                                I feel that... Salmacis81 Send a private message to Salmacis81 Oct 18 2013, 9:20pm
                                    Agreement and disagreement points. AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Oct 18 2013, 9:53pm
                                        Bag-End Salmacis81 Send a private message to Salmacis81 Oct 19 2013, 3:07pm
                            Absolutely... dormouse Send a private message to dormouse Oct 19 2013, 10:14am
                                Whats in it is what matters, but we cannot pretend that running length does not effect what is in it AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Oct 19 2013, 2:11pm
                                    As someone who likes the EEs much better anyway... dormouse Send a private message to dormouse Oct 19 2013, 2:53pm
                                    About EE Elskidor Send a private message to Elskidor Oct 20 2013, 2:38pm
                                        Praise where it is due, criticism where it is due. AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Oct 20 2013, 2:51pm
                    If that includes the credits. If it doesn't, and is just film content time, they are almost exactly AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Oct 19 2013, 2:04pm
                        Running time... Salmacis81 Send a private message to Salmacis81 Oct 19 2013, 2:25pm
            Very true :) Elessar Send a private message to Elessar Oct 18 2013, 9:20pm
    I find it hard to believe that there would be pressure from WB... Misty Mountain Hop Send a private message to Misty Mountain Hop Oct 18 2013, 8:45pm
    It's already been suggested DoS would be a shorter, snappier movie sycorax82 Send a private message to sycorax82 Oct 18 2013, 8:52pm
        phylippa boyens is not pj Gollum's_Apprentice Send a private message to Gollum's_Apprentice Oct 18 2013, 8:57pm
    Sounds like a pretty good length to me dubulous Send a private message to dubulous Oct 18 2013, 8:55pm
    Sounds a reasonable time./ FaramirAndEowynMorningStar Send a private message to FaramirAndEowynMorningStar Oct 18 2013, 9:25pm
    My reaction at the end of AUJ was 'Is that it?' Glorfindela Send a private message to Glorfindela Oct 18 2013, 10:28pm
    2 hours and 36 minutes is a perfectly good running time, imo. MatthewJer18 Send a private message to MatthewJer18 Oct 18 2013, 10:31pm
        so u dont care that wb has CLEARLY INTERFERED HERE Gollum's_Apprentice Send a private message to Gollum's_Apprentice Oct 18 2013, 10:34pm
            Nothing is clear, really. Arannir Send a private message to Arannir Oct 18 2013, 10:41pm
            Yeah, because a movie that's longer than the majority of blockbusters... MatthewJer18 Send a private message to MatthewJer18 Oct 18 2013, 10:47pm
                all 3 films were sposed to be the same length (or prob longer taba) Gollum's_Apprentice Send a private message to Gollum's_Apprentice Oct 18 2013, 10:52pm
                    Says who? Skaan Send a private message to Skaan Oct 18 2013, 10:59pm
                        why would pj make this film shorter? Gollum's_Apprentice Send a private message to Gollum's_Apprentice Oct 18 2013, 11:02pm
                            the edit button disappeared sorry Gollum's_Apprentice Send a private message to Gollum's_Apprentice Oct 18 2013, 11:19pm
                            You do know that PJ "shortened" the LOTR movies too? Faleel Send a private message to Faleel Oct 18 2013, 11:36pm
                                he didnt make ttt and rotk OVER TEN shorter than fotr Gollum's_Apprentice Send a private message to Gollum's_Apprentice Oct 18 2013, 11:46pm
                                    Maybe you should prove that it's a wb move. ;) // Estel78 Send a private message to Estel78 Oct 18 2013, 11:47pm
                                        why would dos be shorter than auj with so much more going on Gollum's_Apprentice Send a private message to Gollum's_Apprentice Oct 18 2013, 11:51pm
                                            I don't know Faleel Send a private message to Faleel Oct 18 2013, 11:55pm
                                                Good on the studios!!! lol. My basic policy in these matters, give credit where it is due and caustic AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Oct 19 2013, 12:00am
                                                    i wont sleep soundly Gollum's_Apprentice Send a private message to Gollum's_Apprentice Oct 19 2013, 12:14am
                                                        But... Elskidor Send a private message to Elskidor Oct 19 2013, 3:54am
                                                            Can't agree about EE. Twas true with Fellowship, and maybe with An Unexpected, HOWEVER ROTK AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Oct 19 2013, 5:54am
                                                                Just out of curiosity, Joe20 Send a private message to Joe20 Oct 19 2013, 6:01am
                                                                    Well, Aragorn killing The Mouth was an unlikely turn, but the WORST was The Witch King and Gandalf. AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Oct 19 2013, 6:44am
                                                                    Personally, I adore all the extended cuts. Aragorn the Elfstone Send a private message to Aragorn the Elfstone Oct 19 2013, 6:52am
                                                                        I have never touched extended ROTK once since that viscerally offensive experience. I quite enjoy AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Oct 19 2013, 1:57pm
                                                                        I thought most people preferred the theatrical cuts? QuackingTroll Send a private message to QuackingTroll Oct 19 2013, 2:05pm
                                                                            EE For Me Elessar Send a private message to Elessar Oct 19 2013, 2:14pm
                                                                                Definitive paired with ROTK EE is a notion that causes a mild stroke for me. lol AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Oct 19 2013, 2:17pm
                                                                                    Of two minds Elessar Send a private message to Elessar Oct 19 2013, 2:33pm
                                                                                    Thoughts on the RotK EE... Salmacis81 Send a private message to Salmacis81 Oct 19 2013, 2:44pm
                                                                                        Here we differ. ( I didn't like the Saruman/Wheel foolishness at ALL either though), I would rather a thing AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Oct 20 2013, 1:25am
                                                                                            I know this will not help you... Arannir Send a private message to Arannir Oct 20 2013, 9:40am
                                                                                                That's an interesting take on it.... dormouse Send a private message to dormouse Oct 20 2013, 10:22am
                                                                                                    Yes... Arannir Send a private message to Arannir Oct 20 2013, 11:09am
                                                                                                    I think that is a fair assumption, but I don't think it is one a lot of moviegoers would catch. AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Oct 20 2013, 2:29pm
                                                                                                        No, I don't suppose they would... dormouse Send a private message to dormouse Oct 20 2013, 3:15pm
                                                                                                            Gandalf v Morgul Lord Elessar Send a private message to Elessar Oct 20 2013, 3:51pm
                                                                                                                The problem with that is that it doesn't stand to reason. For one thing, AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Oct 20 2013, 4:56pm
                                                                                                                    I don't know Elessar Send a private message to Elessar Oct 20 2013, 6:03pm
                                                                                                            Makes sense. Good call. I, for my part, just watch the movie wherein it never happens. lol AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Oct 20 2013, 4:44pm
                                                                                                    I've always seen it as a reflection of these words of Tolkien's Voronwë_the_Faithful Send a private message to Voronwë_the_Faithful Oct 20 2013, 2:44pm
                                                                                                        Agreed. Funny thing, I was actually very much looking forward to the scene... AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Oct 20 2013, 2:59pm
                                                                            I find the extended of Fellowship is a better film than the theatrical, and better explains what is happening to any neophytes AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Oct 19 2013, 2:14pm
                                                                                RoTK EE Thranderz Send a private message to Thranderz Oct 19 2013, 9:39pm
                                                                                    heheheh. I hope you aren't sensitive to profanity and vulgar exclamations. AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Oct 20 2013, 1:28am
                                                                                        Just curious Faleel Send a private message to Faleel Oct 20 2013, 1:48am
                                                                                            Yes. I don't need anything that doesn't happen. That wold be fine, as long as they AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Oct 20 2013, 2:50am
                                                                            Theatical cuts have become Reader's Digest versions for me... Aragorn the Elfstone Send a private message to Aragorn the Elfstone Oct 19 2013, 2:27pm
                                                                            Not me... dormouse Send a private message to dormouse Oct 19 2013, 2:41pm
                                                                            My experience is... Arannir Send a private message to Arannir Oct 19 2013, 5:13pm
                                                                                I actually Faleel Send a private message to Faleel Oct 19 2013, 10:05pm
                                                                TTT was much better as EE as well Estel78 Send a private message to Estel78 Oct 19 2013, 6:19am
                                    No Faleel Send a private message to Faleel Oct 18 2013, 11:50pm
                    Peter Jackson said that AUJ would be the longest of the three as did Boyens QuackingTroll Send a private message to QuackingTroll Oct 19 2013, 2:09pm
    I hope this rumor is false Peterthorn of Rohan Send a private message to Peterthorn of Rohan Oct 19 2013, 8:23am
        It does seem very early Shagrat Send a private message to Shagrat Oct 19 2013, 9:06am
    Whats In Whats next Michelle Johnston Oct 19 2013, 10:01am
    This doesn't surprise me. Escapist Send a private message to Escapist Oct 19 2013, 3:18pm

 
 
 

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