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Chapter of the Week: Thorin Oakenshield

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Oct 18 2013, 1:44pm


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Chapter of the Week: Thorin Oakenshield

This is one of my all-time favourite scenes from The Hobbit.


Door opens and Thorin Oakenshield turns his head.
I get excited every time I see the door opening. It’s as if I feel that this is the moment I’ve been waiting for since the dwarves arrived in Bag-End.
1) This is the first time since the prologue that we encounter this character. What are your impressions of him now?


2) Do you like the fact that Thorin arrives late?


I thought it was interesting that it was Gandalf rather than Bilbo or any of the other dwarves who opened the door.
3) Why do you think the filmmakers decided, of all people, that Gandalf should open the door?


He says “Gandalf,” with a slight smile and walks in.
4) What do you think of his attitude towards Gandalf?


”I thought you said this place would be easy to find. I lost my way. Twice. I would not have found it at all had it not been for that mark on the door.”
I find this incredibly amusing as we have no idea how he had lost his way, but I can imagine that he went (twice) to the wrong door, and had to get other hobbits to point him in the right direction [poor Thorin]! Laugh
5) A little fun question: How do you think he managed to lose his way (twice) to Bag-End?


6) What do you think of the composition and camera angle in this screencap?


”Mark? There's no mark on that door. It was painted a week ago!”
“There is a mark. I put it there myself.”

I thought the confusion on Bilbo’s face was priceless, and the way Gandalf is trying to quickly explain it to him. Laugh
7) What do you think about Bilbo’s reaction to the mark on the door?


8) Did you notice the smile Thorin gives to Kíli during Bilbo’s flustered statement about there being no mark on his door? Do you think that this hints to the face that they are related?


”Bilbo Baggins allow me to introduce you to the leader of our company, Thorin Oakenshield.”
Thorin folds his arms and stands in front of Bilbo. “So, this is the hobbit.”

9) What do you think of Thorin’s first impressions of Bilbo and his “interrogation” (in comparison to Gandalf’s during the Good Morning scene)?


10) Bonus Question here: “Axe or Sword, what’s your weapon of choice?” Wink


”Well, I have some skills with conkers if you must know... though, I fail to see why that’s relevant...”
11) Do you think Bilbo’s reply was more to be funny but when he realises Thorin is being serious the joke becomes lost?


”Thought as much. He looks more like a grocer than a burglar.”
12) In the book, this line was said by Glóin. Do you like that they included this from the book and that they gave them to Thorin?


I love the way Gandalf leans against the arch after Thorin has left the room.
13) What does Gandalf’s exasperated expression tell us about the situation?


14) What did you like most about the scene up to this point? The dialogue, the layout, the facial expressions? Or was there one moment in particular?


Thorin is sitting eating soup.
15) After the feast the other dwarves have had, would you say this is a "meagre meal" for Thorin to have?


The lighting is in this scene is darker in comparison to the previous scene, which seems to me to symbolise the danger within this Quest that they have not even started yet.
16) Do you find the lighting quite effective for this scene?


This scene introduces Óin and Glóin’s character, and shows us that they are into prophecies.
When the dwarves stand up and argue, I think, shows that even though they are supposed to be a team, their personalities clash.

17) What are your thoughts on this?


I think that the part that mostly stands out to me is when Dwalin asks Thorin “Is Dain with us?” and he slowly lowers his soup spoon and replies slowly “They will not come. They say this Quest is ours and ours alone.” I found this quite a significant moment as everyone seems quite disappointed, especially Dwalin.
18) This scene has a lot of moments when we are shown characterisation. Some are through dialogue. Most are though facial expressions, and there are a lot of things that go unsaid. Are there any moments that stand out to you and why?


19) The only character in this scene who does not know of the details about the Quest is Bilbo. Do you like how this is used in order to explain to the audience, both in the film and the book, the purpose of this meeting?


I thought the map is very important as it symbolises hope and their fate.
20) How significant do you think the map is in this scene?


21) Whilst the dwarves are arguing, Bilbo is pleading for them all to calm down and Thorin quickly rises to his feet and says in Dwarvish “Silence!” and they all sit down, clearly showing that Thorin has authority over them all. Do you think he heard Bilbo or did he just decide the dwarves were going too far?


I think the way Thorin was able to motivate the dwarves like that shows how influential he is to them.
22) How did you react the first time you saw Thorin’s speech?


23) After Thorin’s triumphal moment, Balin states that “there is no way into the mountain.” How did you feel when you heard this?


Gandalf produces the key and explains to the bemused Thorin that Thráin had given it to him. I am surprised Thorin did not question him any further about how exactly he had come across his father.
24) Do you think they will have anything extra about how Gandalf had found the key in the Extended Edition?


”The answer lies hidden somewhere in this map and I do not have the skills to find it. But, there are others in Middle-Earth who can.”
25) When you first saw this, did you know who he meant (as you had read the book)?


There are moments in the scene, like when Gandalf makes the room grow dark and when he asks Thorin to trust him and even having the map, I think relates the audience to LOTR.
26) Do you like this link to LOTR?


27) The contract in the book was short. Do you like the fact that the contract is very long (so much for a “usual brief summary”) and full of things that have been added in?


”I cannot guarantee his safety.”
“Understood.”
“Nor will I be responsible for his fate.”
“...Agreed.”

I think Thorin says this to Gandalf because even though his says this in a harsh tone, deep down this shows that he is worried about Bilbo.
28) Why do you think Thorin says this to Gandalf?


”Oh aye, he'll melt the flesh off your bones in the blink of an eye... Think furnace with wings... Flash of light, searing pain and ‘poof’ – you're nothing more than a pile of ash!”
29) Do you think Bofur was trying to make Bilbo laugh, or was he trying to wind Bilbo up?


My favourite quote is Kíli’s "Gandalf will have killed hundreds of dragons in his time" – you underestimate wizards, Kíli! Smile
30 [final question] ) What is your favourite quote from this scene?

....."Loyalty, Honor,
......A Willing Heart.
I can ask no more than that."

...... ~ Thorin Oakenshield

Subject User Time
Chapter of the Week: Thorin Oakenshield FaramirAndEowynMorningStar Send a private message to FaramirAndEowynMorningStar Oct 18 2013, 1:44pm
    I *love* the picture of Thorin at the top! Silwen_Peredhil Send a private message to Silwen_Peredhil Oct 18 2013, 4:48pm
        Why, thank you, Silwen! FaramirAndEowynMorningStar Send a private message to FaramirAndEowynMorningStar Oct 19 2013, 9:02am
            You're welcome. Silwen_Peredhil Send a private message to Silwen_Peredhil Oct 19 2013, 8:34pm
                Well now that screencap Kim Send a private message to Kim Oct 19 2013, 8:36pm
                    Very true, Kim. FaramirAndEowynMorningStar Send a private message to FaramirAndEowynMorningStar Oct 19 2013, 9:26pm
                        It's one of my favorite pictures from the new trailer too... Queen of Erebor Send a private message to Queen of Erebor Oct 19 2013, 10:13pm
                            Great point about the refusal of Dain, et al Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Oct 19 2013, 11:15pm
                                Dain's refusal Riven Delve Send a private message to Riven Delve Oct 21 2013, 12:11pm
                                    You are right RD - Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Oct 22 2013, 10:13pm
                            Ah, more excellent answers! FaramirAndEowynMorningStar Send a private message to FaramirAndEowynMorningStar Oct 20 2013, 8:44am
                How did you know that was a favourite screencap of mine!? FaramirAndEowynMorningStar Send a private message to FaramirAndEowynMorningStar Oct 19 2013, 8:40pm
                    Well, while we're sharing favorite screencaps from this scene Kim Send a private message to Kim Oct 19 2013, 11:52pm
                        I was *so* close to posting that image to you yesterday!// FaramirAndEowynMorningStar Send a private message to FaramirAndEowynMorningStar Oct 20 2013, 8:46am
                    Glad you like it // Silwen_Peredhil Send a private message to Silwen_Peredhil Oct 20 2013, 4:30pm
    Ah, a subject dear to my heart! Old Toby Send a private message to Old Toby Oct 18 2013, 6:52pm
        Lion's mane..... Avandel Send a private message to Avandel Oct 18 2013, 8:23pm
            Too tired to respond to the OPs very long post at the mo. Glorfindela Send a private message to Glorfindela Oct 18 2013, 10:20pm
                on Thorin's side..... Avandel Send a private message to Avandel Oct 18 2013, 11:08pm
            This one I may have to split in half, since this could take a while... Queen of Erebor Send a private message to Queen of Erebor Oct 18 2013, 10:55pm
                Great analysis so far, Queen of Erebor! FaramirAndEowynMorningStar Send a private message to FaramirAndEowynMorningStar Oct 19 2013, 9:15am
    re scene thoughts Avandel Send a private message to Avandel Oct 18 2013, 7:05pm
    You forgot the best Thorin screencap of them all thomasofrohan Send a private message to thomasofrohan Oct 18 2013, 11:00pm
        awwww *melting* Avandel Send a private message to Avandel Oct 18 2013, 11:10pm
    Finally! Kim Send a private message to Kim Oct 18 2013, 11:19pm
        I knew you'd find your way here! FaramirAndEowynMorningStar Send a private message to FaramirAndEowynMorningStar Oct 19 2013, 8:45am
        LOL! I love that you remembered that Kim! Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Oct 19 2013, 11:10pm
    I'm really pleased you chose this screencap ... DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Oct 19 2013, 9:09am
        Agreed. FaramirAndEowynMorningStar Send a private message to FaramirAndEowynMorningStar Oct 19 2013, 9:44am
        Interesting screencap. Silwen_Peredhil Send a private message to Silwen_Peredhil Oct 19 2013, 8:26pm
            Oh! Good ideas! FaramirAndEowynMorningStar Send a private message to FaramirAndEowynMorningStar Oct 19 2013, 8:38pm
    This is part of my favourite section of the movie, which includes the scenes from "Good Morning" to Bilbo running out the door to join the quest Noria Send a private message to Noria Oct 19 2013, 3:09pm
    Dinner Discussion!!!! Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Oct 19 2013, 7:45pm
        Great analysis, Brethil! FaramirAndEowynMorningStar Send a private message to FaramirAndEowynMorningStar Oct 19 2013, 8:15pm
    A little note about Question 10 FaramirAndEowynMorningStar Send a private message to FaramirAndEowynMorningStar Oct 19 2013, 8:18pm
        Oh darn! I forgot to answer it!!! Thanks for the reminder! Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Oct 19 2013, 8:39pm
            Haha, no worries! FaramirAndEowynMorningStar Send a private message to FaramirAndEowynMorningStar Oct 19 2013, 8:43pm
    Du Bekar! Esmeralda Send a private message to Esmeralda Oct 20 2013, 3:13pm
        Fabulous answers, Esmeralda! FaramirAndEowynMorningStar Send a private message to FaramirAndEowynMorningStar Oct 20 2013, 3:46pm
    Hello, your majesticness! Riven Delve Send a private message to Riven Delve Oct 21 2013, 2:05am
        Great answers there, Riven Delve! FaramirAndEowynMorningStar Send a private message to FaramirAndEowynMorningStar Oct 21 2013, 9:20am

 
 
 

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