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The underlying attraction of Tolkien

Michelle Johnston
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Oct 10 2013, 10:09am


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Whilst I confess my joy in Tolkien has evolved and developed over the years where I am now is very very simple.

I have a profound sense of connection with Tolkien's mythology for me it reveals a truth. He then places individuals within the history of middle earth which are entirely relatable so we can journey with them through this world were the gods are closer in and the beginning not so far away.

When I read the late version of Tuor/Turin and the Wanderings of Hurin I see an intimate man centred view of this astonishing world which has even more believability because the characters are rounded and given a full treatment. This reaches its greatest level of achievement in the LOTR. However Bilbo, Thorin and Gandalf make journeys in the Hobbit that are worthy of great attention and prominence and for me The Hobbit book is a wasted opportunity. Now we have several competent (not perfect) middle aged film makers doing just what I wanted.

I would have liked the great man centred stories of Beren/Tuor and Turin told with the same sense of immediacy, Tolkien attempted it he intended it but did not get there, almost with Turin.

So for me I do not want the legendarium offered in three distinctive styles I wish to come to know Tuor,Frodo and Thorin in the same way. The richness of characterisation, the sense of person place and motive where a bright light is shined down into this extra ordinary world for me is where the profoundest satisfaction lies.

My Dear Bilbo something is the matter with you! you are not the same hobbit that you were.

(This post was edited by Michelle Johnston on Oct 10 2013, 10:10am)

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What Do You Think Phillapa Boyens Was Referring to As "Feminine Energy?" Girdle of Melian Send a private message to Girdle of Melian Oct 9 2013, 10:06am
    This "energy" Arandir Send a private message to Arandir Oct 9 2013, 10:45am
    well deskp Send a private message to deskp Oct 9 2013, 11:00am
        Agree it's just a general statement Avandel Send a private message to Avandel Oct 9 2013, 3:24pm
            'Fond of' can refer to a whole spectrum of feelings.... dormouse Send a private message to dormouse Oct 9 2013, 3:31pm
                MY feelings are a spectrum of negative at the moment...... Avandel Send a private message to Avandel Oct 10 2013, 1:13am
    Though some people here like to talk about sexism and so on... Arannir Send a private message to Arannir Oct 9 2013, 11:22am
        Sexism...Some say was the movie was a bit Racist...do you agree? Girdle of Melian Send a private message to Girdle of Melian Oct 9 2013, 12:33pm
            No, absolutely not... dormouse Send a private message to dormouse Oct 9 2013, 1:05pm
                just a polite difference of opinion Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Oct 9 2013, 1:25pm
                    The Wild men of Dunland, the Black Numenoreans and the Pirates of Umbar are often (sadly enough) forgotten in these kind of discussions... DeadRabbits Send a private message to DeadRabbits Oct 9 2013, 1:36pm
                        most excellent Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Oct 9 2013, 1:46pm
                            I don't have the books nearby either, but I'm pretty sure that... DeadRabbits Send a private message to DeadRabbits Oct 9 2013, 1:55pm
                Okay.... Girdle of Melian Send a private message to Girdle of Melian Oct 9 2013, 1:28pm
                    There was no sarcasm there... dormouse Send a private message to dormouse Oct 9 2013, 2:11pm
                        All Is Good Girdle of Melian Send a private message to Girdle of Melian Oct 9 2013, 2:23pm
            Faramir givs an answer (kind of) Fleuz Send a private message to Fleuz Oct 9 2013, 1:12pm
            Many critics over the years... Arannir Send a private message to Arannir Oct 9 2013, 1:32pm
                That is Fine... Girdle of Melian Send a private message to Girdle of Melian Oct 9 2013, 1:40pm
                PS Arannir Send a private message to Arannir Oct 9 2013, 1:43pm
        Good points, Arannir Noria Send a private message to Noria Oct 9 2013, 12:36pm
        "Relating" to characters is overrated. RosieLass Send a private message to RosieLass Oct 9 2013, 3:54pm
            Totally a case by case thing to me... Arannir Send a private message to Arannir Oct 9 2013, 4:07pm
    The opposite of this: Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone Oct 9 2013, 1:53pm
        What does this mean? Girdle of Melian Send a private message to Girdle of Melian Oct 9 2013, 2:03pm
            Well... Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone Oct 9 2013, 2:20pm
                Yes, Got That Part... Girdle of Melian Send a private message to Girdle of Melian Oct 9 2013, 2:28pm
                    The quote... Arannir Send a private message to Arannir Oct 9 2013, 2:36pm
                        I've gotta stick up for Christopher Tolkien here. RosieLass Send a private message to RosieLass Oct 9 2013, 3:41pm
                            It shows ignorance imho... Arannir Send a private message to Arannir Oct 9 2013, 3:58pm
                                well said Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Oct 9 2013, 4:08pm
                                    Thanks. Arannir Send a private message to Arannir Oct 9 2013, 4:15pm
                    Yep Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone Oct 9 2013, 2:45pm
                I'm not so sure about that Eldorion Send a private message to Eldorion Oct 9 2013, 5:32pm
                    Why the misquote? Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone Oct 9 2013, 5:48pm
                        Beause I didn't bother double-checking the quote... Eldorion Send a private message to Eldorion Oct 9 2013, 6:13pm
                    just to add.... Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Oct 9 2013, 5:49pm
                        That's very possible, Eldorion Send a private message to Eldorion Oct 9 2013, 6:15pm
            Demographics JWPlatt Oct 9 2013, 2:55pm
                just to add... Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Oct 9 2013, 5:46pm
                    Well, umm... Eowyn of Penns Woods Send a private message to Eowyn of Penns Woods Oct 9 2013, 7:28pm
                        i have similar reactions Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Oct 9 2013, 8:10pm
                            The Message JWPlatt Oct 9 2013, 8:43pm
                        Right JWPlatt Oct 9 2013, 8:35pm
                    Do you have any studies or references for this? imin Send a private message to imin Oct 9 2013, 7:50pm
                        that is absolutely +not+ what i said Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Oct 9 2013, 8:18pm
                            Eh? imin Send a private message to imin Oct 9 2013, 8:29pm
                    What about these? imin Send a private message to imin Oct 9 2013, 8:27pm
                        not sexist Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Oct 9 2013, 8:45pm
                            Majority of females imin Send a private message to imin Oct 9 2013, 8:57pm
                                Unfair Or Nature? JWPlatt Oct 9 2013, 9:13pm
                                    Of course 'Gravity' it is the exception to all this patrickk Send a private message to patrickk Oct 9 2013, 9:19pm
                                        Gravity JWPlatt Oct 9 2013, 9:48pm
                                            On Gravity patrickk Send a private message to patrickk Oct 9 2013, 10:28pm
                                    I don't know imin Send a private message to imin Oct 9 2013, 9:46pm
                    Yep. Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone Oct 9 2013, 8:46pm
                        thank you, darkstone!!!!!!! Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Oct 9 2013, 8:49pm
                        Cheers :) imin Send a private message to imin Oct 9 2013, 8:58pm
    Take a look at the LOTR for your answer Michelle Johnston Oct 9 2013, 5:26pm
        Very nicely said. Arannir Send a private message to Arannir Oct 9 2013, 5:29pm
        The Hobbit already has proven appeal for "global family audiences" Eldorion Send a private message to Eldorion Oct 9 2013, 5:34pm
            But... Arannir Send a private message to Arannir Oct 9 2013, 6:27pm
                I agree that there is a serious issue with female characters Eldorion Send a private message to Eldorion Oct 9 2013, 6:34pm
                    Not to modern audiences... Arannir Send a private message to Arannir Oct 9 2013, 6:38pm
                        The books had "masses" of readers long before the movies Eldorion Send a private message to Eldorion Oct 9 2013, 6:45pm
                            Actually then we do not disagree :D Arannir Send a private message to Arannir Oct 9 2013, 6:53pm
                                My apologies if I put words into your mouth Eldorion Send a private message to Eldorion Oct 9 2013, 6:57pm
                                    No harm done, I enjoyed the discussion. Arannir Send a private message to Arannir Oct 9 2013, 6:59pm
                                        Thanks, so did I! // Eldorion Send a private message to Eldorion Oct 9 2013, 7:05pm
                                        The Exact Quote Girdle of Melian Send a private message to Girdle of Melian Oct 9 2013, 8:14pm
                                    Is racism about 'white' superiority or simply that some races see themselves as superior to otherss patrickk Send a private message to patrickk Oct 9 2013, 9:06pm
                    i think "disingenuous" Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Oct 9 2013, 6:49pm
                        I haven't even mentioned by opinions on Tauriel in this thread Eldorion Send a private message to Eldorion Oct 9 2013, 6:51pm
                            well... Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Oct 9 2013, 7:01pm
                                The word "disingenuous" Eldorion Send a private message to Eldorion Oct 9 2013, 7:06pm
                                    no problemo -- Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Oct 9 2013, 7:18pm
            Family or certain members Michelle Johnston Oct 9 2013, 9:50pm
                Woderfully out again. Arannir Send a private message to Arannir Oct 9 2013, 9:53pm
                Bandwidth JWPlatt Oct 9 2013, 10:07pm
                    Only if you ignore... Arannir Send a private message to Arannir Oct 9 2013, 11:32pm
                I've gotta disagree here Eldorion Send a private message to Eldorion Oct 9 2013, 10:25pm
                    Clarification Michelle Johnston Oct 10 2013, 6:42am
                        It doesn't surprise me Eldorion Send a private message to Eldorion Oct 10 2013, 8:12am
                            I think the word Doomed is a bit much patrickk Send a private message to patrickk Oct 10 2013, 9:29am
                                Feel free to substitute another word of your choice ;) Eldorion Send a private message to Eldorion Oct 10 2013, 3:41pm
                            One or the other... Eleniel Send a private message to Eleniel Oct 10 2013, 9:57am
                                Well said; I agree // Eldorion Send a private message to Eldorion Oct 10 2013, 3:42pm
                                Which is, perhaps, why Tolkien gave up on the rewrite Voronwë_the_Faithful Send a private message to Voronwë_the_Faithful Oct 10 2013, 5:30pm
                                The Sorceress of Mirkwood Otaku-sempai Send a private message to Otaku-sempai Oct 10 2013, 8:45pm
                                A fair point Michelle Johnston Oct 10 2013, 9:49pm
                            The underlying attraction of Tolkien Michelle Johnston Oct 10 2013, 10:09am
                                You have every right to want that, Eldorion Send a private message to Eldorion Oct 10 2013, 3:44pm
                                    I guess I am the only one.. Girdle of Melian Send a private message to Girdle of Melian Oct 10 2013, 4:44pm
                    I agree to an large extent malickfan Send a private message to malickfan Oct 10 2013, 10:30pm
                        Well said. // Ziggy Stardust Send a private message to Ziggy Stardust Oct 11 2013, 1:41am
    To be honest Ziggy Stardust Send a private message to Ziggy Stardust Oct 10 2013, 1:46am
        Bomby doesn't care for Turning PB into some sorta.. Bombadil Send a private message to Bombadil Oct 10 2013, 7:57pm
            Reality JWPlatt Oct 10 2013, 8:20pm
            We are not obligated to admire someone... RosieLass Send a private message to RosieLass Oct 10 2013, 8:54pm
                Thank you! Ziggy Stardust Send a private message to Ziggy Stardust Oct 11 2013, 1:37am
            To be fair Ziggy Stardust Send a private message to Ziggy Stardust Oct 11 2013, 1:35am

 
 
 

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