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The Recording Sessions of the soundtrack of DOS finished last night
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Alex Maglor
Bree


Oct 8 2013, 11:38am

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The Recording Sessions of the soundtrack of DOS finished last night Can't Post

Conrad Pope (additional orchestrator and conductor) says on his facebook:

With the superb first trumpet of the NZSO, Jon Dante celebrating the end of a series of some 29(?) sessions with the NZSO. Making music with the NZSO was wonderful and I look forward to working with them again- not only are they a superb concert orchestra, they are a remarkable "film orchestra"- they read difficult music accurately right out of "the chute". But now, after 3 pictures, recording sessions in Wellington and London, since June-- it's time to sleep in, rest up and fly home and await the next assignment.






Conrad Pope conducting the NZSO



Jon Dante (first trumpet of the NZSO) with Conrad Pope



Jon Dante with PJ




Wellington Hall





Harps from NZSO



Taiko Time!





Be quiet...



Conrad Pope with some sheet music from DOS


TheHutt
Gondor


Oct 8 2013, 11:57am

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Barefoot PJ spotted! [In reply to] Can't Post

And he looks almost as chubby as he used to!

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Shagrat
Gondor

Oct 8 2013, 11:58am

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Where is Shore? [In reply to] Can't Post

I know there's a lot of discussion over at JWFan about this, but is there any evidence to suggest Shore conducted this? All I'm seeing is Conrad Pope. I'd like some clarification from Doug on this, but if not I'm guessing the press release for the album will clarify who did what. If Shore was not involved in the conducting, it will be very sad indeed. And the score will surely suffer for it.


TheHutt
Gondor


Oct 8 2013, 12:07pm

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That's also a point... [In reply to] Can't Post

As far as I was informed, Pope was just an external orchestrator. If he ends up by conducting the score as well - well, where's Shore in it?

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Peterthorn of Rohan
Rivendell

Oct 8 2013, 12:12pm

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Shore conducted it since [In reply to] Can't Post

The poster for dos says music composed by Howard Shore


Shagrat
Gondor

Oct 8 2013, 12:13pm

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One of the pics shows Pope conducting [In reply to] Can't Post

The trumpeteer referred to Pope as "additional orchestrator and conductor". It doesn't look good. Infact, it looks worrying like Shore wrote the music and then had little else to do with the rest of it. But what if re-writes are needed? Does Pope then become "additional composer"? I think at that point serious questions would need answering, because I'm not sure if PJ realizes how important Shore's music is to these films, and how cherished it is by many people.


Shagrat
Gondor

Oct 8 2013, 12:15pm

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Composed, not conducted [In reply to] Can't Post

We knew Shore wasn't orchestrating this film, but him not conducting it would be huge news, and certainly wasn't mentioned in Pope's initial remit.


TheHutt
Gondor


Oct 8 2013, 12:24pm

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Did Shore actually travel to NZ? [In reply to] Can't Post

Did Shore actually travel to NZ?

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Shagrat
Gondor

Oct 8 2013, 12:27pm

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I did read something... [In reply to] Can't Post

About him travelling there with Doug Adams recently, though I don't know the source for that (it certainly wasn't Doug's twitter page). But other than that I don't think there's any firm evidence to suggest that Shore went to New Zealand at any point in the recording process. That doesn't mean he did, but you'd have to think he'd be pictured in these photos of the recording sessions if he was conducting. Why get one with Jackson and Pope but not Shore?


Elessar
Valinor


Oct 8 2013, 12:57pm

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Can't wait [In reply to] Can't Post

I'm so looking forward to getting the music to listen to here at home. This is the music I listen to calm my nerves after a stressful day.



Misty Mountain Hop
Rivendell

Oct 8 2013, 1:09pm

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Does the conductor actually have that much influence on the final product? [In reply to] Can't Post

If Shore still wrote the music, it would be his creation on the final product, even if he didn't conduct it. Would it really be that big of a blow to the soundtrack?

"Only, you've never done a hard day's work." - Merry


Imladris18
Lorien


Oct 8 2013, 1:43pm

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No. [In reply to] Can't Post

But you know how people like to freak out.


imin
Valinor


Oct 8 2013, 1:49pm

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I was thinking the same but then i don't know much about music // [In reply to] Can't Post

 

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Nolane
Bree

Oct 8 2013, 1:51pm

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Does not matter who conducts [In reply to] Can't Post

I have played in Orchestras and it really does not really matter who conducts the orchestra. Sure it might have some minor impact on the performance, but as long has Howard Shore composed the music, that is all that really matters. Think of it this way- Orchestras play the music of Mozart with many different conductors all over the world. Mozart is dead so he can't conduct his own music anymore. Performance can be impacted if the conductor is terrible, but I am sure that Mr. Pope has experience and is up to the task.


Shagrat
Gondor

Oct 8 2013, 1:52pm

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So [In reply to] Can't Post

If say (and we're still not sure at this point, excuse the pun) Shore was to go from being composer, conductor and orchestrator to just being composer, you wouldn't be somewhat concerned? If that was the case, I'd say it would almost certainly hint at a huge fall out over how AUJ's score turned out. And if Shore's role has been limited, either by his own will or that of Jackson, I have to wonder if he will write music with the same kind of passion and enthusiasm as before. No doubt he's a consumate professional, but this project seemed a real labour of love for him - it's clear from interviews and videos that writing music for Middle Earth was something he truly loved doing. It would be tremendously sad to see his involvement diminish on several levels, considering what a major cog he is in these films.

It just seems very wrong seeing Pope all across these photos of the recording sessions and Shore nowhere in sight.


(This post was edited by Shagrat on Oct 8 2013, 1:54pm)


Skaan
Lorien


Oct 8 2013, 2:00pm

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This has been known for a long time already [In reply to] Can't Post

We've been through this already. It's been known for quite a while that they've hired external orchestrators and conductors for DoS. In fact, i remember Doug Adams coming to these forums to calm down the masses after the exact same response as today happened.

I'm not gonna bother with finding all the links to his posts, but basically it all boils down to the fact that it's all behind-the-scenes stuff, and that we won't notice it in the finished score. It's still Shore's music.


Shagrat
Gondor

Oct 8 2013, 2:03pm

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Not conductors [In reply to] Can't Post

Pope's original remit was orchestrator. It was never said that Shore would not conduct the score. If that is the case, then it certainly is news.

If I'm wrong, then sorry for jumping to conclusions. But as it stands there is nothing to confirm Shore's involvement in the actual recording process.


Skaan
Lorien


Oct 8 2013, 2:07pm

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I think it was Doug Adams [In reply to] Can't Post

Who mentioned something about Shore not conducting aswell (although i'm not 100% sure).

I'll see if i can dig up some posts of him which could prove useful in this thread


Misty Mountain Hop
Rivendell


Oct 8 2013, 2:10pm

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I remember reading somewhere... [In reply to] Can't Post

...a while back about Peter Jackson meeting with Shore and going over some of the music and themes he had been writing for the next two films and Peter said how extremely excited he was about it. He mentioned how many new aspects are being introduced and how catchy the music was.

I think it might have been on a post on Peter's Facebook page, I can't seem to find it at the moment.

"Only, you've never done a hard day's work." - Merry


Faleel
Rohan

Oct 8 2013, 2:11pm

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It [In reply to] Can't Post

Happens alot of the time, that Composers do not conduct some scores.

For example Jurassic Park was conducted by Armin Steiner, because John Williams had messed up his back or something.

Tim Simonec conducts for Michael Giacchino's scores etc.


Bombadil
Half-elven


Oct 8 2013, 2:17pm

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Didn't Howard Conduct in London? [In reply to] Can't Post

Also, sooo curious who sings the Credits song this Time?

Bomby hopes it's a Huge All-Male chorus.
Georgian Chant type- thingie.


TheHutt
Gondor


Oct 8 2013, 2:18pm

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Does not matter if it happens elsewhere... [In reply to] Can't Post

The credit "Music written, conducted & orchestrated by Howard Shore" should be a constant in these movies.

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Skaan
Lorien


Oct 8 2013, 2:20pm

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Nevermind [In reply to] Can't Post

Seems like i was wrong, seeing as i can't find any of Doug's posts (on this site atleast) that mention Shore wasn't going to conduct aswell.

Looks like it is news indeed, then. Let's hope Doug will clear some things up here or on his blog (even though he probably can't say much about it other than "No need to worry"Tongue)


TheHutt
Gondor


Oct 8 2013, 2:21pm

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Just an idea... [In reply to] Can't Post

...could they not do it both? Shore in London and Pope in Wellington? To share the load so to say?

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TheHutt
Gondor


Oct 8 2013, 2:26pm

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That was... [In reply to] Can't Post

...at the last day of pickups, when PJ posted a live coverage of a day in the life of a director.

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