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Azog's Death

Peterthorn of Rohan
Rivendell

Sep 29 2013, 12:05pm

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Azog's Death Can't Post

I know it's been discussed before but who do you think is gonna kill azog. I think it will be either Thorin or Bilbo, but more possibly it will be Thorin.


Lieutenant of Dol Guldur
Gondor


Sep 29 2013, 12:15pm

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Dain Ironfoot [In reply to] Can't Post

Azog and Thorin will have their final fight (I'm pretty sure it will take place here: Erebor Throne Room) with Azog SPOILER killing Kili and Fili. Perhaps Thorin get's heavy wounded but is still able to fight Azog but not to defeat him. Perhaps he cuts off his other arm and than Dain comes to kill Azog finally (as he does in the book). Perhaps they both fight Azog from the beginning. But in the end Azog's death will be Dains work.

On the other side of the battle we still have Bolg being killed by Beorn (as in the book).


"There is only one Lord of the Ring, only one who can bend it to his will. And he does not share power."

(This post was edited by Lieutenant of Dol Guldur on Sep 29 2013, 12:15pm)


Peterthorn of Rohan
Rivendell

Sep 29 2013, 12:41pm

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That won't be book canon [In reply to] Can't Post

And will change the course of bofa.The orcs didn't enter the mountain.I hope bilbo kills Azog in Dos.It will prove even more that bilbo is the true hero of the story(and I know that already by the book its proved that bilbo is the hero, killing spiders,confronting smaug, but it will develop the bilbo-thorin relationship even more)


emre43
Lorien

Sep 29 2013, 1:05pm

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That won't be book canon [In reply to] Can't Post


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And will change the course of bofa.The orcs didn't enter the mountain.I hope bilbo kills Azog in Dos.It will prove even more that bilbo is the true hero of the story(and I know that already by the book its proved that bilbo is the hero, killing spiders,confronting smaug, but it will develop the bilbo-thorin relationship even more)

Bilbo didn't kill AzogCrazy


dormouse
Half-elven


Sep 29 2013, 1:05pm

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I would be pretty sure it won't be Bilbo [In reply to] Can't Post

It would change his character too much, I think, to have him killing Azog. Bilbo is the hero of the story in the sense that it's his story. And in the sense that he discovers in himself reserves of courage, cunning and common sense that he never knew he had, and that enable him to help his friends. He's a hero without heroics.

But as I haven't a clue where they're going with this, or what they plan to do, my plan is just to wait and see!


Peterthorn of Rohan
Rivendell

Sep 29 2013, 1:16pm

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Yes,but [In reply to] Can't Post

Nothing about azog is canon since he didn't die in azanubilzar,whereas the bofa has a ''structure'' in the book that shouldn't be changed.Azog has a minor role in Middle-earth and The Hobbit, whereas bofa has a big and crucial part in the Hobbit


Shagrat
Gondor

Sep 29 2013, 1:30pm

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To be fair [In reply to] Can't Post

Bilbo killing Azog would be pretty ridiculous, and not especially satisfying. I think it will be Thorin, Dain or Beorn.


Lieutenant of Dol Guldur
Gondor


Sep 29 2013, 1:54pm

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Have you seen Return of the King? [In reply to] Can't Post

In the book no single Orc enters Minas Tirith at all. Only the Witch King was able to broke the gate to confront Gandalf but than the Rohirrim arrived and the Battle of the Pellennor began. But in the movie the forces of Mordor broke the gate with Grond and entered it from there and with towers. So I think entering Erebor is still possible ;-)

"There is only one Lord of the Ring, only one who can bend it to his will. And he does not share power."


Peterthorn of Rohan
Rivendell

Sep 29 2013, 2:09pm

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of course [In reply to] Can't Post

i've seen rotk.more than 5 times.I also think what you say it's possible!;-)I just say it's not canon


Altaira
Superuser / Moderator


Sep 29 2013, 2:55pm

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Hehe [In reply to] Can't Post

The irony, of course, is referring to canon when Azog shouldn't even be there. Don't get me wrong, I love Azog as a villian and think he makes a good and necessary adversary to Thorin and the company, but he's hardly canon.

Welcome to the forums, by the way! Smile


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AinurOlorin
Half-elven


Sep 29 2013, 4:34pm

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Cannot happen soon enough. In fact, can some one do it now, before Desolation-Smaug begins? [In reply to] Can't Post


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I know it's been discussed before but who do you think is gonna kill azog. I think it will be either Thorin or Bilbo, but more possibly it will be Thorin.


"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!"

"Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."


AinurOlorin
Half-elven


Sep 29 2013, 4:36pm

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I don't think Azog is necessary at all. He does nothing Bolg could not have done just as well, [In reply to] Can't Post

and without the detrimental alterations to the history of The Dwarves and The Third Age.

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The irony, of course, is referring to canon when Azog shouldn't even be there. Don't get me wrong, I love Azog as a villian and think he makes a good and necessary adversary to Thorin and the company, but he's hardly canon.

Welcome to the forums, by the way! Smile


"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!"

"Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."


Elskidor
Rohan

Sep 29 2013, 8:15pm

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Azog won't die [In reply to] Can't Post

He will kill Thorin, Smaug, Gandalf and everyone. The End


StarGodziller
Bree


Sep 29 2013, 8:34pm

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I have a feeling... [In reply to] Can't Post

...that Thorin will kill Azog but then Bolg will kill Thorin who will in turn be killed by Beorn.


Lio
Lorien


Sep 29 2013, 8:37pm

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How I hope it plays out [In reply to] Can't Post

Well, I consider myself very much in the "Dain kills Azog" camp. Wink In fact, if/when Azog and Thorin fight I think Azog should have the upper hand all the way. Thorin killing or significantly wounding Azog at that point would be just too… obvious, I guess. I don't know, I think their final confrontation should be more interesting and surprising than that. Plus we also have Fili, Kili, and Azog's White Warg likely participating in all this, and I wonder what their roles here will be.

Although now that you mention Bilbo, I wonder if he will also be involved somehow. But I hope not. His heroics as at the end of AUJ were a bit much I think, he really shouldn't be a fighter.

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malickfan
Gondor


Sep 29 2013, 8:42pm

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I'm pretty certain that CGI stunt double we saw Thorin kneeling over in the last P.Blog... [In reply to] Can't Post

...will be ONE of the various orc leaders the question is who? Given the controversy and secrecy surrounding Azog's storyline I doubt we will be given any clues until TABA is released.

Although I think your idea is the most likely, I'm seriously not liking the idea of Dain turning up at the last minute with no prior backstory in the films, then doing nothing of importance (other that swearing in a deep Glaswegian accent knowing Connoly) before claming the thrown of erebor out of the blue.

Still, It's better than Bilbo killing Azog...that really would ruin the film for me.

I don't have much to say.



malickfan
Gondor


Sep 29 2013, 8:45pm

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I would... [In reply to] Can't Post

...respond with a witty reply about The Talking Purse killing Azog in a post credit scene, if I didn't have a sickening feeling that Azog is being readied for a spin of TV series. And no I'm not joking, I sincerely hope I'm wrong, but I highly doubt Saul Zanetz and co won't try and squeeze even more fan fiction (and money) out of the material they can.

I don't have much to say.



Thranderz
Rohan


Sep 29 2013, 9:08pm

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Yup! [In reply to] Can't Post

Although this isn't perfect I reckon it will happen and be pretty cool nontheless Smile *spoilers* Bolg will kill Thorin, Fili and Kili I think!

I simply walked into Mordor.


Elessar
Valinor


Sep 29 2013, 10:36pm

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Hopefully Dain [In reply to] Can't Post

Takes him out since he's most likely to live to movie three.



Cirashala
Grey Havens


Sep 29 2013, 10:52pm

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as heartbreaking [In reply to] Can't Post

as this scene is going to be regardless, I decided to put a monkey wrench in and introduce an idea I haven't seen anyone else come up with...

What if....

Fili and Kili kill Azog after Azog mortally wounds Thorin? Kind of like the flawed could not kill the evil, but the good, innocent, and pure (since they were not touched by the gold sickness like the rest of the company) can.

Then Bolg can kill them in their moment of triumph and distraction (concerned about Thorin and not aware that Azog had someone to avenge him)- offspring against offspring (or unofficially offspring, since F and K are Thorin's nephews, not sons, but like his sons)...

and then Dain will kill Bolg (or Beorn will) as the two lie over Thorin, slowly dying but still just barely alive, then they die a few minutes later while Thorin watches, seeing the true price of his greed as the last of the gold sickness vanishes and coming to the realization that it was his OWN doing, not his enemy Azog's, that wiped out the elder line of Durin. Then, Thorin can hold on until the tent, where he reconciles with Bilbo before he finally passes.

And maybe Dain could say something like I didn't want to get the throne like this as he sees the two young heirs (who were really too young to have come and died) drawing their last breath....to redeem him in the eyes of the audience.

Any which way it happens, it will be heartbreaking to watch-bring on the tissues!

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(This post was edited by Cirashala on Sep 29 2013, 10:54pm)


glor
Rohan

Sep 30 2013, 1:25am

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I'm in the Dain camp too. [In reply to] Can't Post

It makes movie sense to have Dain kill Azog all be it at a different point in the narrative timeline. It's the only way in a movie that has to 'make sense' to those who haven't read the books, to stop Dain showing up after Thorin's demise and just becoming King for no logically or discernible reason.


Elessar
Valinor


Sep 30 2013, 2:55am

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That's my thought as well [In reply to] Can't Post

It causes the pieces of the puzzle to fit together better.


 
 

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