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Thranderz
Rohan


Sep 27 2013, 10:33pm

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A female's point of view Can't Post

First of all, I'm not female. However, I've noticed that females don't seem to take to these films (I am talking about The Hobbit specifically but not exclusively) like us males! My mum finds it boring, despite me thinking she'd find it enchanting, and my girlfriend tries to enjoy it but says that the characters aren't relatable or likeable. Is this the view of all women, and if so why? Has any of Phillipa Boyens' 'female energy' actually rubbed off on anyone? Thought I'd just share this with everyone to see what you all think. Smile

I simply walked into Mordor.


DanielLB
Immortal


Sep 27 2013, 10:44pm

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Absolutely not, this is a femine forum! ;-) [In reply to] Can't Post

It's likely just your mix of family and friends that leads you to that conclusion. But Tolkien (and the films) have equal shares of male and female fans.

As for this forum, it's inundated with Thorin fangirls. AngelicWink



(This post was edited by DanielLB on Sep 27 2013, 10:46pm)


Mooseboy018
Gondor


Sep 27 2013, 10:52pm

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I've never seen it that way. [In reply to] Can't Post

I know more guys that have flat out said they find the movie "boring".


Ataahua
Superuser / Moderator


Sep 27 2013, 10:52pm

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The view of all women? No. [In reply to] Can't Post

I know men and women who can't get into the books or the films, and men and women who *love* them!

Stick around on TORN and you'll see plenty of women who are fans of the films - and, despite what DanielB says, not just because of Hot Dwarves.

(BTW Daniel's reference to 'femine' is explained in our TORN Dictionary, in case you're confused. See also the reference for 'knitting'.)

Celebrimbor: "Pretty rings..."
Dwarves: "Pretty rings..."
Men: "Pretty rings..."
Sauron: "Mine's better."

"Ah, how ironic, the addictive qualities of Sauronís master weapon led to its own destruction. Which just goes to show, kids - if you want two small and noble souls to succeed on a mission of dire importance... send an evil-minded beggar with them too." - Gandalf's Diaries, final par, by Ufthak.


Ataahua's stories


(This post was edited by Ataahua on Sep 27 2013, 10:56pm)


DeadRabbits
Lorien


Sep 27 2013, 10:53pm

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My girlfriend and my sisters loved AUJ... [In reply to] Can't Post

... as did those of my female friends who saw the movie, so I guess it's a matter of personal taste and not which gender one belongs to. All things Tolkien seem to have a strong female fanbase.

Now now Bill, you swore this was a battle between warriors, not a bunch of miss nancies, so warriors is what I brought


Elizabeth
Valinor


Sep 27 2013, 10:57pm

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Folks said that about LotR, too... [In reply to] Can't Post

I actually had some correspondence with a reviewer on the San Jose (CA) Mercury News who claimed that only males liked it. At the time, RotK was ending its run, and when I went (I saw it in theaters 11 times, which is quite modest by TORn standards - grammaboodawg saw it 60-some times) I would look around the theater and see 75% women. I think a majority of the folks posting on TORn are female.

Personally, I don't care for The Hobbit as much as LotR, but I am definitely a fan.








Thranderz
Rohan


Sep 27 2013, 10:57pm

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Oh yeah [In reply to] Can't Post

I'm not saying all females dislike these films but despite Phillipa Boyens' efforts to create a female energy I'm not seeing a surge in female fans. I know there are quite a lot on these boards but just not where I live Frown

I simply walked into Mordor.


Arannir
Valinor


Sep 27 2013, 11:00pm

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Interesting question... [In reply to] Can't Post

Among my friends there are more female LotR (both book and movie) lovers than male ones. However, those females who dislike it (again, both book and movie) often seem to think that it is "more for guys" or "something guys like".

As for the "female" energy... many of the women I know liking the movies certainly appreciated the way Galadriel and Arwen were handled in LotR. But I think most guys did as well. As for AUJ, I do have the feeling we (among our friends) are not divided on the "female spirit" of characters like Tauriel - actually most of us agree that that energy is welcomed to the story (one even saying that corrects something she loathed about the book). The divide rather comes from the question of whether this goes too far in a book adaptation/interpretation or not.



ďA dragon is no idle fancy. Whatever may be his origins, in fact or invention, the dragon in legend is a potent creation of menís imagination, richer in significance than his barrow is in gold.Ē J.R.R. Tolkien

Words of wisdom that should be remembered - both by critics, purists and anyone in between.


Brethil
Half-elven


Sep 27 2013, 11:01pm

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You may have a point Daniel. // [In reply to] Can't Post


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As for this forum, it's inundated with Thorin fangirls. AngelicWink


Is there a Tolkien topic that you have wanted to look into more deeply, and write about your thoughts on it? If so, we'd like to hear from you for the next TORn Amateur Symposium- coming in November. Happy writing!








MediaMalable
Bree


Sep 27 2013, 11:05pm

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I do not agree at all [In reply to] Can't Post

I actually think Tolkien seems to have one of the most impressively gender agnostic fandoms that there is, with men and women enjoying the films and books equally. I know that my sisters love the films and books nearly as much as I do, and my mother has been a huge Tolkien fan since she read them growing up.

I think the depth and beauty of Tolkien's world speaks to people of both sexes, and draws them in.


DanielLB
Immortal


Sep 27 2013, 11:06pm

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I'd expect more Tauriel fanboys ... [In reply to] Can't Post

Had she been canon. Wink

And that avatar suits you, Brethil.

(I was only joking by the fangirl comment - there are no fangirls or fanboys, just very obsessive Tolkien fanatics. All of which are great!)

Going back to Thranderz's point - I rarely come across any other Tolkien fans in real life - at least anyone more passionate than having only read the books (once, maybe twice) and seen (and enjoyed) the films. Where are you all hiding?



(This post was edited by DanielLB on Sep 27 2013, 11:08pm)


Elizabeth
Valinor


Sep 27 2013, 11:07pm

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Phillipa Boyens' efforts are wasted on me. [In reply to] Can't Post

I loved The Hobbit book with no females at all, and fear Phillipa's insertions will weaken the films, not improve them. I really disagree with the notion that women only like stories with female characters, whether we're talking about movies or books. Women like good, well-written stories, period.








Thranderz
Rohan


Sep 27 2013, 11:08pm

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Same here! [In reply to] Can't Post

I know no Tolkien fans (except all of you lovely people on these message boards), I feel like the only one in town Frown

I simply walked into Mordor.


Thranderz
Rohan


Sep 27 2013, 11:11pm

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I agree! [In reply to] Can't Post

Galadriel is fine as long as they keep her on a leash with all that power of hers Wink and Tauriel........well I'm willing to give her a chance I suppose.

I simply walked into Mordor.


Brethil
Half-elven


Sep 27 2013, 11:19pm

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Where *are* the fans? Good question [In reply to] Can't Post


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Had she been canon. Wink (haha!Laugh)

And that avatar suits you, Brethil. Sadly, now I shall have to look at my own posts over and over. CrazyLaugh
(I was only joking by the fangirl comment - there are no fangirls or fanboys, just very obsessive Tolkien fanatics. All of which are great!) Yes, its good to be part of a Fellowship...which leads into the next question..

Going back to Thranderz's point - I rarely come across any other Tolkien fans in real life - at least anyone more passionate than having only read the books (once, maybe twice) and seen (and enjoyed) the films. Where are you all hiding? ...which I totally find to be the case as well. I know almost NO book-firster people (excepting my BFF) and even the Movie-fans are not exactly ... committed (committable?) like we are. It seems we are a strong fan following - but I have to say my RL meetings are rare. I wonder too, where is everyone?


Is there a Tolkien topic that you have wanted to look into more deeply, and write about your thoughts on it? If so, we'd like to hear from you for the next TORn Amateur Symposium- coming in November. Happy writing!








Elskidor
Rohan

Sep 27 2013, 11:28pm

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I've met many of both of gender that love [In reply to] Can't Post

But I'm surprised by the equal amount of men and women, for the main cast is all mainly men. There are but a couple female in LoTR even less in the Hobbit. It's pretty one sided, really. I figure a lot of women watch for the Legolas, Aragorn and..hmm is Thorin a heart throb now?


cats16
Tol Eressea


Sep 27 2013, 11:35pm

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*mods up* [In reply to] Can't Post


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I really disagree with the notion that women only like stories with female characters, whether we're talking about movies or books. Women like good, well-written stories, period.



Oleander Took
Rivendell


Sep 27 2013, 11:48pm

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Absolutely agree with this [In reply to] Can't Post

give me a good story, and despite being a female, I won't need a single female character to enjoy it or identify myself with the story and/or characters. And like you I feel that that addition will be more something that could pull me off the story than something to make me get into it better Unsure

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Blkcpt
Rivendell

Sep 27 2013, 11:54pm

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Welll [In reply to] Can't Post

With me and my girl. We both like and dislike parts of all the films for different reasons. I want them to be more dark and violent....she wants a more feel good, love story type of thing. I love the "bad" characters. I think their costumes and presence is a little bit more gripping. On the otherhand my girl loves the good guys and thinks the bad guys are bland. Men and women.... two different species


(This post was edited by Blkcpt on Sep 27 2013, 11:56pm)


Ziggy Stardust
Gondor


Sep 28 2013, 12:10am

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Definitely not [In reply to] Can't Post

There are a lot of female LOTR and Hobbit fans, just as there are males. Tolkien's works, to me, are one of those things that appeal to both genders. Perhaps your mum and girlfriend are just indifferent to The Hobbit, but not all women are. Who knows? Maybe even the female energy by Boyens could have even rubbed them the wrong way. There are some female fans who, while they love Tolkien, were rubbed the wrong way by Boyens female energy. Some say she tried/tries too hard.


Ziggy Stardust
Gondor


Sep 28 2013, 12:20am

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Agreed [In reply to] Can't Post

I've always valued story and character, over the quantity of characters, quantities of male and female characters. If the story is good, and the characters whether male or female is likeable, that's all that matters to me.
Besides, if The Hobbit has no female characters, so what? There are other works that have some cool female characters, like Harry Potter. Hermione, who was female, was smarter and more practical than all the boys. She's even the top of the class. Usually the female characters nowadays are ditsy and dumb. She wasn't. And then there is Katniss in The Hunger Games.


AinurOlorin
Half-elven


Sep 28 2013, 1:23am

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I know several females, mine own lady included, who adore it, and not just because they desire Thorin, Aragorn or Thranduil, though [In reply to] Can't Post

that certainly has been a factor for some. lol

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arithmancer
Grey Havens


Sep 28 2013, 1:29am

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Nope! [In reply to] Can't Post

Female and lovin' it.

Though I am not a representative member of my sex as regards a Tolkien adaptation, as I am and have been for ages, a devoted Tolkien fan. First read the Hobbit at age 6, and have probably read LotR approximately once time for each year of my life (currently in my 40s).

But my mother loves the movie and can't wait to buy the EE when it comes out. (She has read the books, I believe once, and liked 'em. Loves the LotR movies).

I have two sisters. One can't stand the books, she tried to read them and gave up, they were not to her taste. But she likes both the LotR films, and AUJ. The other is a bit like me (perhaps not taking her fandom to quite the same degree...) and so, is another example of a female who liked the movie.

Regarding the characters not being relatable or likable to the female audience...surely you have not missed the impact Thorin (and his hair) have made with many of the female members of this forum?Cool


Mikah
Lorien

Sep 28 2013, 1:36am

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Maybe working at High Schools? [In reply to] Can't Post

I guess I am lucky here. When DoS came out I was working at a public charter school. So many Tolkien fanatics there. Twelve of us got together and saw DoS on opening night...waited 6 hours on a rainy night to see it. These people are huge fans. They quote everything from the Silmarillion to Lord of the Rings. It was crazy, Student Advisors, Guidance Counselors, Teachers, and IT. The Principal of the school was quite confused when she had that many people showing up late the following day! Good thing that kids were out for Christmas break.

As a matter of fact one of the Guidance Counselor's told me about this site when you guys were reading the Silmarillion. He said I really needed to join in because I was getting rusty on my lore!


Lusitano
Tol Eressea


Sep 28 2013, 1:47am

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I loved The Hobbit book with no females at all [In reply to] Can't Post

Misoginy!

Neanderthal notions! This is the 21st century, lady, cant we update this black and white story for a modern era?

Geez....


Wink


Im with you. I never felt the testosterone bottle overflowing and ruining the story for me. Boyens's comments about this much needed energy are in my view, disrespectfull of TH novel, and ultimately the author himself.

Boyens is red haired herself isnt she? What a coincidence Angelic

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