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Chapter of the Week: Old Friends

Silwen_Peredhil
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Sep 27 2013, 1:05pm


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This week on CHOW discussion is the Good Morning scene between Gandalf and Bilbo which is a favourite scene of mine.



I’ll start off the discussion with a question about the very start of this scene. The scene shifts smoothly from present day to 60 years earlier. In FOTR 60 years came on the screen accept it was 60 years later. I thought it was a nice tie in with the LOTR trilogy.
1) Do you like this similarity with LOTR?


The Hobbit has many memorable moments when you read the book and for me this opening scene between Bilbo and Gandalf is one of them. I really enjoyed seeing a younger Bilbo for the first time and seeing him as a person very set in his ways brought out of his comfort zone by the intrusion of the wandering wizard, Gandalf.
2) Was this how you had imagined this scene? Did you enjoy how it was played out?


We have just seen an older Bilbo played by Ian Holm and to some degree Martin Freeman’s performance had to merge with Ian’s so that the audience could believe that this is a younger Bilbo without restricting Martin from putting his own spin on the character. I thought Martin’s performance as Bilbo was excellent and I can see little traces of Ian’s Bilbo in Martin’s in the way he walks and especially when he speaks and even the moment when he runs back into his house and shuts the door, somehow I am reminded of the Bilbo I saw in FOTR.
3) How well do you think Martin portrayed a younger Bilbo?
4) Are there any characteristics you saw in Ian’s Bilbo that Martin adapted or used to help portray his version of Bilbo that you thought worked really well?


Bilbo’s character is established in this scene as being more fussy than the older Bilbo. What about his place in society when he is younger?
5) Is there anything that helps convey that Bilbo is more from upper-class society, especially for those who are being introduced to this character for the first time?
6) Are there any props in this scene that you like?


Let us focus now on the wizard. We are not shown Gandalf’s face immediately in AUJ, just as we weren’t in FOTR. In FOTR Gandalf is humming as he journeys in his cart and when Frodo meets him his face is hidden by his hat. In AUJ we see the grey clothes walk past Bilbo and we are not shown his face until after Gandalf asks ‘What do you mean?’ I find it immediately gives us a sense of mystery about this character. I even note that in both films Gandalf is more to the left hand side of the hobbits. Perhaps it is a sign again of magic and mystery that is sometimes associated with the left hand side?
7) Do you like the way we are introduced to Gandalf with this sense of mysteriousness?
8) Do you enjoy watching Ian McKellen’s performance as Gandalf?


This scene I think is important in establishing the difference in size of hobbits and men, or in this case wizard.

This particular image above I think was an important moment for defining this to those seeing Middle Earth for the first time and to refresh the memories of those who have. Watching the characters the first time I saw this, I started to forget that Martin isn’t Hobbit sized.

9) How well do you think the scaling of the characters is carried out in this scene?


A difference I noted straight away from the book was the fact that in the book a flustered Bilbo invites Gandalf to tea, whereas in the film Bilbo just retreats back into the house refusing to have anything to do with the wizard.
10) Do you like/dislike this deviation from the book, or do you not mind either way?
I think this works well for the film since it adds to the humour when the dwarves all start arriving and Bilbo literally has no warning since he thought the business with Gandalf was finished with. In the book he had warning that someone was coming to tea, but the humour came from the fact that every time he answered the door it wasn’t who he expected.


There are so many great moments, in this scene, I think. I enjoy every moment and I’ll just mention a few:
“I am looking for someone to share in an adventure,” I love how Bilbo’s jaw drops in shock at the idea.
“Not Gandalf, the wandering wizard who made such excellent fireworks. Old Took used to have them on Midsummer’s Eve.” I love how interested Bilbo becomes and how he is adjusts his tone again when he realises he’s sounding a little too enthusiastic to remark, “I had no idea you were still in business,” almost insulting the wizard. The way Gandalf’s smile vanishes at this remark, I think, is priceless.
“It’ll be very good for you and most amusing for me.”
I just love the way Ian delivered that line.
11) What is your favourite quote/moment(s) from this scene and why?


Gandalf makes the mark on the door with his staff and then leaves. In the book it is just a mark on the door, but in the film it has a blue glow.
12) Do you like the way the mark has a magical quality about it?
13) Do you like how Bilbo is aware the wizard is outside his door?
14) Did anyone notice that Gandalf is humming as he leaves? Why do you think the film makers chose to end the scene this way?
15) How did the ending of this scene prepare you for the next scene?


The music for this scene, I think helps add to the awkward atmosphere for Bilbo and the mysterious, even mischievous character of Gandalf. I even like how the music includes a version of the firework theme we heard in FOTR when Bilbo mentions them to Gandalf.
16) What do you think about the music in this scene?



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Subject User Time
Chapter of the Week: Old Friends Silwen_Peredhil Send a private message to Silwen_Peredhil Sep 27 2013, 1:05pm
    And the adventure begins burgahobbit Send a private message to burgahobbit Sep 27 2013, 1:47pm
        It certainly does Silwen_Peredhil Send a private message to Silwen_Peredhil Sep 28 2013, 1:02pm
    Old Friends LordotRings93 Send a private message to LordotRings93 Sep 27 2013, 2:22pm
        The scenery never fails to add beauty to a scene Silwen_Peredhil Send a private message to Silwen_Peredhil Sep 28 2013, 1:12pm
    I'm not late for once! Werde Spinner Send a private message to Werde Spinner Sep 27 2013, 3:23pm
        Actually Faleel Send a private message to Faleel Sep 27 2013, 3:28pm
            Yes, but they're not 'old friends' yet. Werde Spinner Send a private message to Werde Spinner Sep 27 2013, 3:33pm
                Also Faleel Send a private message to Faleel Sep 27 2013, 4:18pm
        I really like the way you phrased that Silwen_Peredhil Send a private message to Silwen_Peredhil Sep 28 2013, 1:17pm
    Brilliant questions! :-) DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Sep 27 2013, 4:32pm
        Market scene burgahobbit Send a private message to burgahobbit Sep 27 2013, 6:38pm
            Ahh, I remember now. DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Sep 27 2013, 6:45pm
        Thank you Silwen_Peredhil Send a private message to Silwen_Peredhil Sep 28 2013, 1:28pm
    Good morning, good start! Riven Delve Send a private message to Riven Delve Sep 27 2013, 7:56pm
        Great point on his character arc R-D Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Sep 28 2013, 12:03am
        tansitional phase Silwen_Peredhil Send a private message to Silwen_Peredhil Sep 28 2013, 1:31pm
    NOMs...I mean, CHOW cats16 Send a private message to cats16 Sep 27 2013, 8:28pm
        That moment Silwen_Peredhil Send a private message to Silwen_Peredhil Sep 28 2013, 1:51pm
    Bomby's reply Bombadil Send a private message to Bombadil Sep 27 2013, 9:09pm
        (*chuckling*) Love this bit Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Sep 28 2013, 12:00am
        I'm sure it will Silwen_Peredhil Send a private message to Silwen_Peredhil Sep 28 2013, 1:53pm
    Great questions on a great scene! Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Sep 27 2013, 10:52pm
        That would be an awesome spinoff! cats16 Send a private message to cats16 Sep 27 2013, 11:41pm
            Would be great wouldn't it? // Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Sep 28 2013, 12:01am
        So true Silwen_Peredhil Send a private message to Silwen_Peredhil Sep 28 2013, 1:59pm
    Thanks Silwen. Noria Send a private message to Noria Sep 28 2013, 12:08am
        Love the fireworks theme too! Silwen_Peredhil Send a private message to Silwen_Peredhil Sep 28 2013, 2:10pm
    "It will be very good for you, and most amusing for me" Kim Send a private message to Kim Sep 28 2013, 5:48am
        It was in the book! elostirion74 Send a private message to elostirion74 Sep 28 2013, 1:34pm
        His amusement Silwen_Peredhil Send a private message to Silwen_Peredhil Sep 28 2013, 2:28pm
        Different take on this line... arithmancer Send a private message to arithmancer Sep 30 2013, 1:50am
            Agreed. cats16 Send a private message to cats16 Sep 30 2013, 4:27am
            I think I prefer this take on it, thanks arithmancer :-) // Kim Send a private message to Kim Oct 4 2013, 3:13am
    Freeman and Holm elostirion74 Send a private message to elostirion74 Sep 28 2013, 11:17am
        Yes I like that too Silwen_Peredhil Send a private message to Silwen_Peredhil Sep 29 2013, 1:32pm
    Bit late, but.... dormouse Send a private message to dormouse Sep 29 2013, 8:14am
        That line Silwen_Peredhil Send a private message to Silwen_Peredhil Sep 29 2013, 1:43pm
    Wow this thread has dropped fast! cats16 Send a private message to cats16 Sep 30 2013, 7:51pm
        I think you mean ... DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Sep 30 2013, 8:00pm
            Exactly... cats16 Send a private message to cats16 Sep 30 2013, 8:06pm
                Bird watch! DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Sep 30 2013, 8:19pm
                    The only ones... cats16 Send a private message to cats16 Sep 30 2013, 8:30pm
                    Quiz: Can you place this bird call? Starling Send a private message to Starling Oct 1 2013, 12:26am
                        Hmm...nothing comes to mind. cats16 Send a private message to cats16 Oct 1 2013, 3:27am
                        Just before Arwen's vision? DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Oct 1 2013, 4:54am
                            Congratulations, you win the prize! Starling Send a private message to Starling Oct 1 2013, 4:57am
                                I feel so emotional right now. That's the best gift I've ever won. / DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Oct 1 2013, 5:09am
                                    Do try to contain yourself. You are a man of science after all. // Starling Send a private message to Starling Oct 1 2013, 5:25am
                                        *snort* That last line is priceless. // cats16 Send a private message to cats16 Oct 1 2013, 5:40am
                                        This made me laugh out loud! / DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Oct 1 2013, 6:39am
                                            Starling's my name, LOLz are my game. ;-D // Starling Send a private message to Starling Oct 1 2013, 7:01am
                            Wait... cats16 Send a private message to cats16 Oct 1 2013, 5:41am
                    Bird watch in the Hobbit Silwen_Peredhil Send a private message to Silwen_Peredhil Oct 1 2013, 9:37am
                        Great list! Did you notice the birds in the new trailer? ;-) / DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Oct 1 2013, 3:14pm
                            Yes I did :) Silwen_Peredhil Send a private message to Silwen_Peredhil Oct 1 2013, 4:02pm
        A great prop Silwen_Peredhil Send a private message to Silwen_Peredhil Oct 1 2013, 9:45am
    OK, I can finally post my full response Kim Send a private message to Kim Oct 4 2013, 3:10am
    Quick update on #15 Kim Send a private message to Kim Oct 6 2013, 7:09pm

 
 
 

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