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Chapter of the Week: My Dear Frodo

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Sep 22 2013, 4:56am


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Welcome to the very first chapter-by-chapter discussion thread for The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey! This is the second regular discussion of our newest Middle-earth movie.

For our discussion, I intersperse my observations about the scene with related questions. Feel free to answer as many or as few as you wish (this is a longish post..) Also feel free to raise any points of interest to you that I may have neglected.

Along with the Prologue about Dale, Erebor, and Thorin, this chapter is not in the book. It serves as a second/continuing introduction to the movie before we reach the book start, with the meeting of young Bilbo and Gandalf.

1) Did you like this introduction, why or why not?
2) How did you feel about the inclusion of Frodo in this scene?
3) What purpose do you feel it serves, why do you think the filmmakers chose to include this scene?
4) Do you feel it is a problem for audience members not familiar with Middle Earth to be shown Bilbo survived?

The Prologue gave us an introduction to what Dwarves are like, and in what sorts of places and how they live. This scene does not do so for Hobbits to nearly the extent FotR (even the TE) did.

5) Did you feel a bit more on Hobbits was needed? Why or why not?

Both this scene and the prologue are clearly scenes of Old Bilbo working on his book about his adventures. He starts writing the prologue at night. (Candle, night outside). The scene we are discussing is set during daytime.

6) Do you think Bilbo has been up all night writing? Or do you think these scenes are further apart?

The prologue ended with Thorin hammering at an anvil and a fade to black. This scene opens on an exterior scene of the Shire in daylight, with a view of the Hill and the Water. All we hear are birds chirping. There is no music

7) Is this an effective way to open the scene? Why or why not?

In this scene we see Hobbiton and of Bag End, familiar sights for LotR film fans.

8) How did they look to you? Feel free to comment on what you liked or disliked about how Hobbiton and Bag End appeared.

In this scene we see two characters very familiar to LotR film fans, Bilbo and Frodo.

9) How did they look to you? Feel free to comment on what you liked or disliked about seeing these characters, their interactions, and their appearance.

We see Frodo rummaging through Bilbo's things, finding the old sketch of Young Bilbo, a helmet, some sort of curved pointy thing (a claw? A horn?).

10) Did you find any of these intriguing? Which? What do you think they are? Did I miss any interesting items?

The dialogue includes references to one small treasure chest that still smells of Troll, and to Lobelia making off with silverware. Readers of the book can guess from these references that certain book scenes will be in the films.

11) Are there any other references I missed? And, did you like these hints of things to come?

The dialogue makes clear that we are seeing a scene from earlier in the day of the Long Expected Party in FotR.

12) Why do you think the filmmakers chose this day for this scene?
13) Do you like this choice?
14) Putting yourself into the shoes of a viewer new to the books and films, what do you think such a viewer might make of this conversation? (The party? A veiled suggestion there is something Bilbo is hiding from his Frodo? That Bilbo is becoming odd and unsociable?)

The scene ends after Frodo leaves, with Bilbo sitting outside on the bench and smoking his pipe. He is describing himself in the days before his adventure - always on time, entirely respectable, nothing unexpected ever happened. The title “An Unexpected Journey” appears over Bilbo's smoke ring.

15) What did you think of this way of ending the scene?

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Chapter of the Week: My Dear Frodo arithmancer Send a private message to arithmancer Sep 22 2013, 4:56am
    Great questions! jf300 Send a private message to jf300 Sep 22 2013, 8:16am
        Thank you!// arithmancer Send a private message to arithmancer Sep 23 2013, 4:46pm
    Another great discussion! DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Sep 22 2013, 9:41am
        Shorter version, perhaps? arithmancer Send a private message to arithmancer Sep 23 2013, 4:57pm
            Knocking at the door DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Sep 23 2013, 6:29pm
                I... Faleel Send a private message to Faleel Sep 23 2013, 6:48pm
                    I always assumed Silverlode Send a private message to Silverlode Sep 24 2013, 1:04am
                        But Faleel Send a private message to Faleel Sep 24 2013, 1:47am
                            Well.... Silverlode Send a private message to Silverlode Sep 24 2013, 2:14am
                                Also, they are probably the type of people ... DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Sep 24 2013, 6:41am
                                    Are we ever told... cats16 Send a private message to cats16 Sep 24 2013, 1:41pm
                                        I don't think so. DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Sep 24 2013, 3:25pm
                                            Quite true, lol. // cats16 Send a private message to cats16 Sep 24 2013, 4:38pm
                            Better late than never... Queen of Erebor Send a private message to Queen of Erebor Sep 24 2013, 2:45am
    Thanks arithmancer Noria Send a private message to Noria Sep 22 2013, 12:25pm
        Bomby could NOT be more pleased... Bombadil Send a private message to Bombadil Sep 22 2013, 2:50pm
        Aha! (Frodo in the film) arithmancer Send a private message to arithmancer Sep 23 2013, 5:56pm
            Thanks again arithmancer. Noria Send a private message to Noria Sep 23 2013, 8:50pm
    To be honest.. Avnar Send a private message to Avnar Sep 22 2013, 3:13pm
        Holm voiceover arithmancer Send a private message to arithmancer Sep 23 2013, 7:30pm
            About the wig... cats16 Send a private message to cats16 Sep 23 2013, 7:38pm
    My Dear Frodo LordotRings93 Send a private message to LordotRings93 Sep 22 2013, 4:49pm
        Holm and Freeman arithmancer Send a private message to arithmancer Sep 23 2013, 7:37pm
    Thanks for hosting Arithmancer! Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Sep 22 2013, 5:05pm
        Pinecones? arithmancer Send a private message to arithmancer Sep 23 2013, 11:50pm
            Pine cones! Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Sep 24 2013, 12:31am
    We're back! Kim Send a private message to Kim Sep 22 2013, 5:43pm
        I think this is exactly what they were aiming for ... DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Sep 22 2013, 6:45pm
    Thanks for some good questions! dormouse Send a private message to dormouse Sep 22 2013, 5:54pm
    My thoughts Cirashala Send a private message to Cirashala Sep 22 2013, 9:22pm
        Huh? Faleel Send a private message to Faleel Sep 23 2013, 12:12am
            It's hard to explain Cirashala Send a private message to Cirashala Sep 23 2013, 12:25am
                So.. Faleel Send a private message to Faleel Sep 23 2013, 12:28am
                    kinda Cirashala Send a private message to Cirashala Sep 23 2013, 12:31am
    Settling into Middle-earth Riven Delve Send a private message to Riven Delve Sep 22 2013, 10:55pm
        I feel that sort of 'thank you' to the fans in this too R-D // Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Sep 23 2013, 12:19am
    a few good things, but mostly awkward and indulgent elostirion74 Send a private message to elostirion74 Sep 23 2013, 6:00am
    Great Scene! Great questions! Thank you arithmancer. Silwen_Peredhil Send a private message to Silwen_Peredhil Sep 23 2013, 3:50pm
        I like how you summarized the contrasts here Silwen! // Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Sep 23 2013, 4:15pm
            Thank you!// Silwen_Peredhil Send a private message to Silwen_Peredhil Sep 23 2013, 4:41pm
    2/2 on being late. cats16 Send a private message to cats16 Sep 23 2013, 6:48pm
    Late again! Werde Spinner Send a private message to Werde Spinner Sep 24 2013, 2:03am
        Perhaps Faleel Send a private message to Faleel Sep 24 2013, 6:27pm

 
 
 

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