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The siege of Erebor

The Mitch King
Rohan


Sep 19 2013, 11:32pm

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I've been wondering about the men and elves' siege of Erebor. Perhaps someone could refresh me a little. Isn't it two "armies" that siege... what?....13 or 14 people? I'm wondering how this might look in film. In the book they block off the main gate or something(is this correct?) but its huge in the movies soooooo.....

It would make more sense if Dain came first in the movies IMO. Anyone else wondered about this scene?


thorinoakenshield
Rivendell


Sep 20 2013, 10:43am

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I think you mixed up [In reply to] Can't Post

The Battle of Five Armies with the Siege of Erebor. The battle of five armies will be in the hobbit, though I am not too sure about the siege of Erebor. The siege takes place during the War of the Rings, I believe fought against Easterlings. The BOFA is during the Hobbit with Lake Men, elves, and dwarves, against Goblins and wargs.


Arandir
Gondor


Sep 20 2013, 11:49am

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I believe The Mitch King is referring to *minor spoilers* [In reply to] Can't Post

The "siege" that takes place prior to the BOFA, where the Elves and Lake-town men declare the Mountain besieged and the whole "bargaining" of the treasure ensues.

The arrival of Dain's army is the one that breaks the siege and leads to the titular battle.

In the films, I'm really hoping they keep the siege element for the necessary buildup. Although it might seem somewhat impossible for 13 dwarves to hold and fortify the gate, Im pretty sure it's doable - not to mention that these are dwarves!Smile

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(This post was edited by Arandir on Sep 20 2013, 11:50am)


DjU
Lorien

Sep 20 2013, 12:00pm

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No confusion [In reply to] Can't Post


In Reply To
The Battle of Five Armies with the Siege of Erebor. The battle of five armies will be in the hobbit, though I am not too sure about the siege of Erebor. The siege takes place during the War of the Rings, I believe fought against Easterlings. The BOFA is during the Hobbit with Lake Men, elves, and dwarves, against Goblins and wargs.


He hasn't mixed anything up, the siege is a key component of the plot, prior to the BotFA. The men of Laketown and the Elves of Mirkwood march on Erebor to get the treasure. When Throin refuses, they effectively lay siege to the Mountain. Until Dain arrive and it all threatens to kick off.

It's the whole reason all the forces are together when the Orcs and Goblins arrive.

Yes there was also another siege of Erebor which was technically part of the "Battle of Dale" during the War of The Ring


Loresilme
Valinor


Sep 20 2013, 6:28pm

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Besieged in the sense that [In reply to] Can't Post

they cut them off from getting any supplies. They didn't intend to attack them, the intent was the dwarves would eventually have to give in because they would run out of food and supplies:


"Since such is your answer," he called in return, "I declare the Mountain besieged. You shall not depart from it, until you call on your side for a truce and a parley. We will bear no weapons against you, but we leave you to your gold. You may eat that, if you will!"




Lieutenant of Dol Guldur
Gondor


Sep 20 2013, 6:37pm

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The hidden door was the only way in. [In reply to] Can't Post

But we saw the main gate and its not just huge... it's heavy... at least before Smaug crushed it. I still wonder why Balin said that it was closed. I wonder because there was no gate left. But obviously it was so the only way into the mountain was the hidden door. So the 13 Dwarves may stand on the balcony over the gate (the same from the prologue). It might be too high even for Legolas or Bard to shoot an arrow at the Dwarves.

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Bumblingidiot
Rohan

Sep 21 2013, 2:14am

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Exactly. [In reply to] Can't Post

No one actually wanted to fight, so the siege was more of a stand-off. The point about the dwarves was that they can be extremely stubborn so, although they would have inevitably lost (without reinforcements), they thought they could delay things for a bit, until Dain arrived. Plus, by this time, Thorin wasn't thinking straight and the others stuck by him out of loyalty rather than wisdom.

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dormouse
Half-elven


Sep 21 2013, 10:24am

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Maybe he meant 'closed' in the sense... [In reply to] Can't Post

... that they can't use it because of the dragon inside. Therefore it's closed to them. It would have to have remained physically open to allow Smaug to come and go, or he'd have starved.

 
 

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