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Did Peter Jackson give us a clue about Smaug?

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Sep 19 2013, 3:12pm

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Did Peter Jackson give us a clue about Smaug? Can't Post

We're all eagerly awaiting The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug, and just what exactly that magnificent dragon will be like on the big screen has long been a question on our minds.  Of course, we saw quite a lot of Smaug in the Desolation trailer - but it seems like Peter Jackson and his team may have given us a crafty hint about the mighty worm way back at the very beginning of the first Hobbit movie...

Take a look at this:

smaug logo


That's the opening WB logo which can be see on the DVD/Blu-ray of The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey.  See what is in the clouds just to the left of the WB shield?  That's a dragon, right?

Here's the standard WB opening to the right, together side by side with this Hobbit one, where we've outlined the potential Smaug in red.  Staffer Arandir thinks there may be a thrush to the right of the shield, too...

WB logos

What do you think?  Are we just seeing things in the clouds?  Or was there a sly suggestion of what was to come, hidden in that opening moment?  Maybe you spotted this months ago - or maybe you see something else we haven't seen!

Let us know your thoughts!  And in case you're still pondering, here's another look:







Sep 19 2013, 8:39pm

Post #2 of 17 (433 views)
Very, very much clutching at straws here. [In reply to] Can't Post



Sep 19 2013, 9:43pm

Post #3 of 17 (372 views)
My thoughts exactly! [In reply to] Can't Post

Looks more like a polar bear to me.... Wink


Sep 19 2013, 10:10pm

Post #4 of 17 (366 views)
I'm more concerned that ... [In reply to] Can't Post

Warner Bros. have no idea about convection and condensation. That sky is a mess! Angelic


Sep 19 2013, 10:18pm

Post #5 of 17 (345 views)
Dear me [In reply to] Can't Post

We are starved of news at the minute aren't we?


Sep 19 2013, 10:53pm

Post #6 of 17 (316 views)
Smaug [In reply to] Can't Post

Not sure about this one! The head does look like a dragon but the rest is left for interpretation. It could be a case of pareidolia, the faculty of the brain to spot patterns and draw figures from them. If indeed it was intented to be Smaug The Golden, then it was subtly done indeed.

(This post was edited by sam90 on Sep 19 2013, 10:54pm)


Sep 19 2013, 11:03pm

Post #7 of 17 (305 views)
LOL... [In reply to] Can't Post

Lack of information means seeing things that just aren't there. This is just a simple case of matrixing.

(This post was edited by Jim on Sep 19 2013, 11:05pm)

Tol Eressea

Sep 20 2013, 12:08am

Post #8 of 17 (289 views)
This is why [In reply to] Can't Post

geeks have a bad name...


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Sep 20 2013, 12:48am

Post #9 of 17 (259 views)
Slow news day indeed. [In reply to] Can't Post

In Reply To
We are starved of news at the minute aren't we?

We seriously need a darn trailer, now!


Sep 20 2013, 1:07am

Post #10 of 17 (259 views)
This reminds me of something... [In reply to] Can't Post

...how people in Texas and New Mexico often see The Virgin Mary and Baby Jesus in a burned tortilla (example below)

(example from Huffington Post).

I'm sure we could find Smaug in a burned tortilla as well.

Don't mess with my favorite female elf.

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Sep 20 2013, 1:53am

Post #11 of 17 (252 views)
Hey! [In reply to] Can't Post

I resemble that remark (about being a geek, that is).

I personally thought it was brilliant. I mean, the clouds *are* different. Why would WB bother to change the clouds in their logo? The voices in my head are telling me there's something to it! Laugh

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Sep 20 2013, 3:23am

Post #12 of 17 (220 views)
If anything... [In reply to] Can't Post

I'm seeing something more like wings stretched from either side of the logo. Where the 'head' in the OP is, my mind is just seeing one wing. It almost looks like we're flying towards a...er...flying WB logo.

But that's just me. Angelic

Old Pilgrim

Sep 20 2013, 5:39am

Post #13 of 17 (204 views)
I very much doubt [In reply to] Can't Post

that this clouds represent Smaug. They are just darker at some points and human imagination is big enough to make different images from such little details.

Runk Snusgrop

Sep 20 2013, 5:01pm

Post #14 of 17 (139 views)
Re: [In reply to] Can't Post


Kangi Ska

Sep 20 2013, 5:34pm

Post #15 of 17 (132 views)
Rorschach [In reply to] Can't Post

One sees what one is. One might be obsessed with Dragons.

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Tol Eressea

Sep 20 2013, 6:26pm

Post #16 of 17 (129 views)
Definitely a dragon. [In reply to] Can't Post

Maybe the girls and boys at Weta or wherever were lying in a grassy field just gazing up at a cloudy sky and naturally discussed what a cloud dragon would look like and then made one.

Yep, definitely a dragon.



Sep 21 2013, 8:02pm

Post #17 of 17 (75 views)
Not to be a buzz kill... [In reply to] Can't Post

...but the "regular" Warner Bros logo in the original post is one that they used in the early 2000s. You can tell because it includes the words "AOL TimeWarner" at the bottom. The AOL part of the name was dropped in 2005. Smile The version of the logo in front of The Hobbit is not unique to TH.

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