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Chapter of the Week: Prologue

Ardamírë
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Sep 13 2013, 10:35pm


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Welcome to the very first chapter-by-chapter discussion thread for The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey! This is the kickoff of regular discussion of our newest Middle-earth movie. Smile

Now, you might be wondering why someone who you thought hated the movie is leading the first chapter's discussion. No, I'm not here to troll. Nor will I be heaping false praise in order to "fit in" in this discussion. I will both gush and critique, and everyone else is free to do the same. I hope this can be a civil discussion where fans can discuss some things that we haven't really discussed before. Well, without further ado, let's jump right in!

Obviously, this thread covers the whole Fall of Erebor prologue. Were you expecting the movie to begin this way? Did you even want the movie to begin with a prologue? And what of Old Bilbo as the narrator. Was that something you liked or wish had been done differently? Personally, I love him narrating. I wish we wouldn't have seen him, but I do enjoy his voice-over. It's widely known that The Hobbit is feigned to be a personal account written by Bilbo, so the idea of him narrating seems very natural.

Let's talk settings. Would you rather live in Dale or Erebor? I would definitely have to go with Dale (and not just because it's built at human scale Tongue). It's just so beautiful and natural looking. And I love the tan-colored stone. It just looks so lively and vibrant. It really made me feel so very sad at its destruction. Did seeing its fall make it really come alive for you? It did for me.

We don't really see Smaug here. Did you want to see him in full? I liked not seeing him. I always thought that revealing him so early on would have been a mistake. Of course, this was totally ruined by the DoS trailer. Mad

Was there one shot from the prologue that just blew you away on first viewing? I remember being very moved by the shot of all the dwarves migrating across the wilderness after the destruction of their home. It was pretty haunting. This image especially captures what it, though it's not quite the same as it is in motion.

They heyday of the dwarves was spectacular to see. Are you glad we finally have gotten to see a live dwarven kingdom and an army of dwarves?

For the final question (or series of questions) I'll ask what you would have done differently. Anything about this scene is up for grabs. What would you change? Besides the picture quality (which I think is far too fake-looking), I've already mentioned that I would have not shown Old Bilbo. I think it should have opened with the lighting of the candle, then seeing the book opened and Bilbo's hand beginning to write. The narration could then start.

Well, that's all for this round! Real life is about to get pretty busy, so I'll probably not be able to reply much (especially come Sunday), so don't take it personally if I can't get back to all the replies. Thanks to any and all who replied, read, or lurked! Have a great weekend, everyone! Smile

'Twas in the Land of Willows that I heard th'unfathomed breath
Of the Horns of Ylmir calling - and shall hear them till my death.

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Chapter of the Week: Prologue Ardamírë Send a private message to Ardamírë Sep 13 2013, 10:35pm
    Great kickoff Arda! Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Sep 13 2013, 11:17pm
        I'd quote you, Brethil... cats16 Send a private message to cats16 Sep 14 2013, 4:25am
            I agree Cats Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Sep 14 2013, 11:03pm
                A great discussion so far. cats16 Send a private message to cats16 Sep 16 2013, 1:02am
                    This is great! Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Sep 16 2013, 1:26am
                        Thanks, and great eye! cats16 Send a private message to cats16 Sep 16 2013, 1:59am
                    If we ignore the part where Bilbo ruined Frodo's life ... DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Sep 16 2013, 6:25am
                        Oh, well, there's that. cats16 Send a private message to cats16 Sep 16 2013, 5:45pm
                        If you are referring to the incident with the Ring Silwen_Peredhil Send a private message to Silwen_Peredhil Sep 17 2013, 6:12pm
                            Oh and with that post... Silwen_Peredhil Send a private message to Silwen_Peredhil Sep 17 2013, 6:13pm
                                Say hi... cats16 Send a private message to cats16 Sep 17 2013, 6:41pm
                                    Sure Silwen_Peredhil Send a private message to Silwen_Peredhil Sep 17 2013, 6:47pm
                                        PPS- Thanks. ;) // cats16 Send a private message to cats16 Sep 17 2013, 6:52pm
        These questions really make you think... Queen of Erebor Send a private message to Queen of Erebor Sep 15 2013, 8:52pm
            Dwarves and heights Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Sep 15 2013, 9:42pm
    Thank you for starting us off! Here's what I think ... DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Sep 13 2013, 11:19pm
        I had the same take on the exodus shots Daniel! // Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Sep 13 2013, 11:30pm
            I've listened to the commentaries DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Sep 14 2013, 3:34pm
                I thought for sure it was on Commentary too Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Sep 14 2013, 11:18pm
                    A question for the LOTR board, perhaps? DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Sep 14 2013, 11:42pm
                        Not a bad idea Daniel. Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Sep 14 2013, 11:48pm
        Silly edit window ... DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Sep 13 2013, 11:31pm
        I still find it fascinating Kim Send a private message to Kim Sep 14 2013, 12:18am
            Don't get me wrong .... DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Sep 14 2013, 8:43am
        Azanulbizar Ardamírë Send a private message to Ardamírë Sep 14 2013, 5:46pm
            I can't remember any particular article or link... DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Sep 14 2013, 6:33pm
                This Ardamírë Send a private message to Ardamírë Sep 14 2013, 7:00pm
                    Definitely my biggest complaint Voronwë_the_Faithful Send a private message to Voronwë_the_Faithful Sep 14 2013, 7:11pm
                        Very much agreed Ardamírë Send a private message to Ardamírë Sep 14 2013, 7:20pm
                            Yes, but Voronwë_the_Faithful Send a private message to Voronwë_the_Faithful Sep 14 2013, 7:33pm
                                Right, of course Ardamírë Send a private message to Ardamírë Sep 14 2013, 7:40pm
                        While I agree that it was a miscalculation... Salmacis81 Send a private message to Salmacis81 Sep 15 2013, 2:59am
                    And I think a longer prologue would have alleviated this problem. DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Sep 14 2013, 7:20pm
                        I think an extended prologue Ardamírë Send a private message to Ardamírë Sep 14 2013, 7:36pm
                            I think there was already enough in the prologue without Azanulbizar. Noria Send a private message to Noria Sep 15 2013, 12:14am
    Yay! Here we go! Kim Send a private message to Kim Sep 13 2013, 11:28pm
        Different educations maybe? Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Sep 13 2013, 11:34pm
            Something I've always wanted to know ... DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Sep 13 2013, 11:41pm
                Hurricane...fascinating Daniel! Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Sep 13 2013, 11:59pm
            Interesting theory Kim Send a private message to Kim Sep 13 2013, 11:41pm
                That too Kim - yup I agree. // Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Sep 14 2013, 12:00am
    The prologue is one of my favourite parts of AUJ. Noria Send a private message to Noria Sep 14 2013, 12:25am
        Bilbo as Thorin's surrogate storyteller... Silverlode Send a private message to Silverlode Sep 14 2013, 3:11am
        Really interesting thoughts on hurricanes, everyone. cats16 Send a private message to cats16 Sep 14 2013, 4:08am
        Yes, I suppose that is another possibility ... DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Sep 14 2013, 8:38am
    A big Mods Up! entmaiden Send a private message to entmaiden Sep 14 2013, 1:10am
    Yes, it's wonderful that you're taking this on. Patty Send a private message to Patty Sep 14 2013, 1:25am
    my answers arithmancer Send a private message to arithmancer Sep 14 2013, 1:50am
    Enjoyed the prologue... Salmacis81 Send a private message to Salmacis81 Sep 14 2013, 1:52am
        Doesn't seem very practical, does it? DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Sep 14 2013, 6:45pm
    Prologue LordotRings93 Send a private message to LordotRings93 Sep 14 2013, 1:59am
    Additional thoughts - Thorin arithmancer Send a private message to arithmancer Sep 14 2013, 2:07am
        Well observed Silwen_Peredhil Send a private message to Silwen_Peredhil Sep 14 2013, 7:13pm
    Big smiles BallyWhooo Send a private message to BallyWhooo Sep 14 2013, 2:29am
        This is exactly my point about Dale Ardamírë Send a private message to Ardamírë Sep 14 2013, 2:43am
    Just a note to all readers Ardamírë Send a private message to Ardamírë Sep 14 2013, 2:36am
    Hello fellow CHOWsters! The Grey Elf Send a private message to The Grey Elf Sep 14 2013, 3:02am
    Great to see so much discussion already! cats16 Send a private message to cats16 Sep 14 2013, 4:00am
    Three Thoughts DwellerInDale Send a private message to DwellerInDale Sep 14 2013, 4:33am
        Good edits, DiD. cats16 Send a private message to cats16 Sep 16 2013, 12:51am
    Captain's Prologue, Shire Reckoning 1170... Esmeralda Send a private message to Esmeralda Sep 14 2013, 5:35am
        After posting my thoughts on the prologue... Nunilo Send a private message to Nunilo Sep 14 2013, 2:46pm
            Forging a moment Esmeralda Send a private message to Esmeralda Sep 14 2013, 3:00pm
    About prologue Old Pilgrim Send a private message to Old Pilgrim Sep 14 2013, 6:04am
    An excellent way to kick it off, well done. Macfeast Send a private message to Macfeast Sep 14 2013, 10:25am
        I thought the prologue was fabulous. Glorfindela Send a private message to Glorfindela Sep 14 2013, 1:31pm
            Replying to myself (first signs of madness). Glorfindela Send a private message to Glorfindela Sep 14 2013, 3:17pm
            Sad child Ardamírë Send a private message to Ardamírë Sep 14 2013, 5:36pm
                The doll on fire ... DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Sep 14 2013, 6:36pm
                    Is it CG fire? Ardamírë Send a private message to Ardamírë Sep 14 2013, 6:47pm
                        I think it is real fire ... DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Sep 14 2013, 7:15pm
                            I'm not a pyromaniac, so I wouldn't know lol Ardamírë Send a private message to Ardamírë Sep 14 2013, 7:32pm
                        "CGI beards"? dernwyn Send a private message to dernwyn Sep 14 2013, 9:11pm
                            Hmm, I didn't take that as a joke Ardamírë Send a private message to Ardamírë Sep 14 2013, 11:44pm
                                The entire ... DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Sep 14 2013, 11:54pm
                                    Well, yes Ardamírë Send a private message to Ardamírë Sep 15 2013, 12:13am
                                        Like everything, it might have been touched up with CGI? DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Sep 15 2013, 10:42am
                                            Thank you! Ardamírë Send a private message to Ardamírë Sep 15 2013, 12:06pm
                    The Doll on Fire is a visual Metaphor for ... Bombadil Send a private message to Bombadil Sep 14 2013, 10:54pm
                About Thranduil Glorfindela Send a private message to Glorfindela Sep 14 2013, 10:07pm
            Uh. Faleel Send a private message to Faleel Sep 14 2013, 11:19pm
    My answers Findun Send a private message to Findun Sep 14 2013, 11:12am
    I've come to appreciate the prologue more over time Nunilo Send a private message to Nunilo Sep 14 2013, 12:13pm
    Great to be back in Middle Earth after 10 years! Silwen_Peredhil Send a private message to Silwen_Peredhil Sep 14 2013, 2:27pm
        regarding the sketch Kim Send a private message to Kim Sep 14 2013, 6:03pm
            Very true Silwen_Peredhil Send a private message to Silwen_Peredhil Sep 14 2013, 6:45pm
    A general question for everyone ... DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Sep 14 2013, 6:41pm
        What I would have liked Ardamírë Send a private message to Ardamírë Sep 14 2013, 6:53pm
        My thoughts Silwen_Peredhil Send a private message to Silwen_Peredhil Sep 14 2013, 7:05pm
        DoS Prologue Esmeralda Send a private message to Esmeralda Sep 14 2013, 7:40pm
            The Key's story would make great sense The Grey Wanderer Send a private message to The Grey Wanderer Sep 14 2013, 8:33pm
                Well said, Grey Wanderer. cats16 Send a private message to cats16 Sep 16 2013, 6:43pm
    Balin Ardamírë Send a private message to Ardamírë Sep 14 2013, 7:12pm
        I do! Kim Send a private message to Kim Sep 14 2013, 7:38pm
            I didn't notice the braid Ardamírë Send a private message to Ardamírë Sep 14 2013, 7:41pm
                Oooh, *that* braid. FaramirAndEowynMorningStar Send a private message to FaramirAndEowynMorningStar Sep 14 2013, 7:51pm
    My thoughts Cirashala Send a private message to Cirashala Sep 14 2013, 8:34pm
    Questions about armour Silwen_Peredhil Send a private message to Silwen_Peredhil Sep 15 2013, 3:30pm
        About armor... cats16 Send a private message to cats16 Sep 16 2013, 12:43am
    Bit late, but.... dormouse Send a private message to dormouse Sep 15 2013, 7:15pm
    A little late to the party Elessar Send a private message to Elessar Sep 15 2013, 9:17pm
    I'm late! For a very important CHOW! Riven Delve Send a private message to Riven Delve Sep 16 2013, 12:58pm
    Ack! I'm late, I'm late, I'm laaaaaate... Werde Spinner Send a private message to Werde Spinner Sep 16 2013, 3:06pm
        There's no such thing as being late :-) DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Sep 16 2013, 5:44pm
            I hadn't actually thoght of that. Werde Spinner Send a private message to Werde Spinner Sep 17 2013, 3:09pm
        makes sense Cirashala Send a private message to Cirashala Sep 16 2013, 5:59pm
        I like this idea Silwen_Peredhil Send a private message to Silwen_Peredhil Sep 17 2013, 6:24pm
    darn it, had a big reply ready, then I closed the tab accidentally >__>. Anyway! -awesome- thread, Xanaseb Send a private message to Xanaseb Sep 16 2013, 6:06pm
    Well Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone Sep 16 2013, 6:41pm
        Prologue options Ardamírë Send a private message to Ardamírë Sep 17 2013, 9:50pm
            It does seem to bring up the question... cats16 Send a private message to cats16 Sep 17 2013, 10:19pm
    Gonna give this a shot TheSexyBeard Send a private message to TheSexyBeard Sep 16 2013, 9:55pm

 
 
 

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