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Yes "fate" or as Tolkien's prefered to call it, "luck"


Sep 12 2013, 10:10pm

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Yes "fate" or as Tolkien's prefered to call it, "luck" [In reply to] Can't Post

Tolkien had most of Bilbo's adventures determined by "luck" in The Hobbit book, such as when he guesses the "time" and the "fish" riddle, when he just misses cracking his head on the exit to Goblin town, when he slips through the Elvenking's gate and so forth. Tolkien was criticized for all of his mention of "luck" in The Hobbit in his own day, but he was actually using it as a literary device to show how Divine Providence was at work in Middle-earth. This is revealed at the very end of the book:

"You don't really suppose, do you, that all your adventures and escapes were managed by mere luck, just for your sole benefit? You are a very fine person, Mr. Baggins, and I am very fond of you; but you are only quite a little fellow in a wide world after all!"

"Thank goodness!" said Bilbo laughing, and handed him the tobacco-jar.

And like you said, this theme is continued into Lord of the Rings with the whole "meant to have it" scene where Gandalf says "Bilbo was meant to find the ring, and not by its maker." I think its a really cool way for Tolkien to keep Iluvatar in mind throughout the saga, while also displaying his own beliefs in the background. Smile

"I've found it is the small things, everyday deeds of ordinary folk, that keeps the darkness at bay. Simple acts of kindness and love. Why Bilbo Baggins? Perhaps it is because Im afraid, and he gives me courage. - Gandalf the Grey.

"Do not be afraid Mithrandir, if ever you should need my help, I will come." - Lady Galadriel.

(This post was edited by burgahobbit on Sep 12 2013, 10:11pm)

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The Moon Runes Reading scene? Bombadil Send a private message to Bombadil Sep 11 2013, 7:22pm
    By watching it... Fleuz Send a private message to Fleuz Sep 11 2013, 7:59pm
        I don't think it's accident per se Seaber Send a private message to Seaber Sep 11 2013, 10:57pm
            Yes "fate" or as Tolkien's prefered to call it, "luck" burgahobbit Send a private message to burgahobbit Sep 12 2013, 10:10pm
                Luck/Fate Yngwulff Send a private message to Yngwulff Sep 13 2013, 3:51am
                    Elrond's Line just before reading the Runes... Bombadil Send a private message to Bombadil Sep 13 2013, 2:31pm
    table Cirashala Send a private message to Cirashala Sep 11 2013, 8:11pm
        Really like that idea Silwen_Peredhil Send a private message to Silwen_Peredhil Sep 12 2013, 6:47pm
    i liked how PJ made it more dramatic and new age MouthofSauron Send a private message to MouthofSauron Sep 12 2013, 3:14am
        Agreed Salmacis81 Send a private message to Salmacis81 Sep 12 2013, 2:22pm
    crystal table fool_of_a_took Send a private message to fool_of_a_took Sep 12 2013, 8:45pm
    Enjoyed this Scene IdrilofGondolin Send a private message to IdrilofGondolin Sep 14 2013, 8:06pm
        Gandalf arithmancer Send a private message to arithmancer Sep 15 2013, 1:03pm


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