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True, but we are talking about Dol Guldur here

Old Pilgrim
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Sep 12 2013, 12:56pm


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Of course Gandalf is a true power who could defeat the Nine, Durin's Bane and many other great forces in Middle Earth. I have no doubt of that. But you are forgetting one important thing - the books tell us nothing about his confrontation with the Nine or the Necromancer in Dol Guldur so we don't know what kind of approach did he use during his investigations there. You cannot simply state that because he fought Ringwraits on Amon Sul in such spectacular way he react the same way in Dol Guldur because we are talking about two very different situations.

On Amon Sul his very live was in danger, he was suddenly enclosed by enemies and if he wanted to survive he was forced to reveal a great amount of his power. Dol Guldur is something very different because his intention was not to confront the Necromancer and defeat him but to gain informations and investigate a place in a proper way. We know that Olorin was always afraid of Sauron and because of that he was choosen by Manwe and Varda as one of the Istari and we also know that he was travelling among the elves unseen in his early days to learn of their ways and history. The books don't tell us how did he learn that the Necromancer is indeed Sauron but they do tell us that he learned that and escape right after that. Now he can be fighting dark forces in epic battle as he tried to escape but I doubt that because despite his great spirit he was always humble and very strict about using his true powers.

Indeed he used them sometimes in the Lord of the Rings books but still not many times and mostly only when the lives of others were in danger. In Hobbit movies they could depict Gandalf fighting dark forces in Dol Guldur the similar way he fought the Ringwraits on Dol Guldur and I will be very satisfied as Gandalf is my favourite character but in my personal opinion he was using stealth during his investigations in Dol Guldur. And do not tell me that this is something also Beornings, Dwarf Lords, Elves or men could use because none of them could travel unseen or hide their appearance. His Power is not only in his lightening and fire, but also in his ability to move unseen and other smaller things which may seems unimportant but are far from that.

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Certainly Gandalf needs to display power-magic in Dol Guldur. But how? Let the books be your guide, filmcrew! AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Sep 10 2013, 11:28pm
    Completely agree Arandir Send a private message to Arandir Sep 11 2013, 6:59am
        That is a fear, but I certainly hope they won't make that mistake. Two things play in favour of them doing the right thing AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Sep 11 2013, 7:53am
            Plus, burgahobbit Send a private message to burgahobbit Sep 11 2013, 11:00am
                Definitely, Burgahobbit and Sycoraxa82. I thought it fitting and proper that Radagast AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Sep 11 2013, 10:15pm
        # 2 of this list completely nails it on EVERY level. AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Sep 11 2013, 8:01am
            Very very true ... Arandir Send a private message to Arandir Sep 11 2013, 3:48pm
                Fingers crossed for it, Arandir my friend. AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Sep 11 2013, 10:16pm
        I wish they would reshoot the Witch-King confrontation sycorax82 Send a private message to sycorax82 Sep 11 2013, 6:22pm
    i still missed how in the book when Gandalf showed up in... MouthofSauron Send a private message to MouthofSauron Sep 12 2013, 3:18am
        Sauron Yngwulff Send a private message to Yngwulff Sep 12 2013, 3:48am
            No, however Sauron almost surely would not be the first wave of confrontation (and, yes please to Glorfindel in the full assault . .. SURVIVING in a hero Elf role!) AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Sep 12 2013, 4:09am
                ^ Liking all of this, AO. cats16 Send a private message to cats16 Sep 12 2013, 4:16am
        I really missed that too, HOWEVER, after the how many of Gandalf's displays of power were either AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Sep 12 2013, 4:01am
            agreed MouthofSauron Send a private message to MouthofSauron Sep 12 2013, 4:13am
                orcrist did glow Cirashala Send a private message to Cirashala Sep 12 2013, 5:10pm
                    nope MouthofSauron Send a private message to MouthofSauron Sep 13 2013, 3:38am
                        There were a few points where Glamdring glowed VERY briefly, as it was swung. AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Sep 13 2013, 10:20pm
    Hard to tell Old Pilgrim Send a private message to Old Pilgrim Sep 12 2013, 5:28am
        It is the books being quoted. Yes he encouraged, with wisdom, and his kind Spirit, and was aided by the healing power of The Red Ring, but make no mistake AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Sep 12 2013, 7:46am
            Yes but Hamfast Gamgee Send a private message to Hamfast Gamgee Sep 12 2013, 12:00pm
            True, but we are talking about Dol Guldur here Old Pilgrim Send a private message to Old Pilgrim Sep 12 2013, 12:56pm
                It is a trap. And as he said on Caradhras when the wargs came, ere another display of power, "Need we wait till morning? The Hunt is up!" AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Sep 13 2013, 9:36pm
                    Hopefully not... Salmacis81 Send a private message to Salmacis81 Sep 14 2013, 12:35am
                        Guard your heart, Salmacis. I hope as you do, but AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Sep 14 2013, 3:10am
                        maiar vs istari Cirashala Send a private message to Cirashala Sep 14 2013, 3:01pm
                            The Istari are Maia Otaku-sempai Send a private message to Otaku-sempai Sep 14 2013, 9:05pm
                            What Otaku said... Salmacis81 Send a private message to Salmacis81 Sep 15 2013, 3:09am
                            Otaku and Salmacis have nailed it. To give greater specifity, Olorin and Curumo were the highest of the Maiar who were sent and became known as AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Sep 15 2013, 5:28pm
    If we are going by the books Hamfast Gamgee Send a private message to Hamfast Gamgee Sep 12 2013, 11:56am
        True... Salmacis81 Send a private message to Salmacis81 Sep 12 2013, 2:43pm

 
 
 

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