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I doubt that there would have been

Inferno
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Sep 12 2013, 5:09am


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much in the way of a cohesive Enemy force, were that the case. A pet theory I've held for a long time (there's evidence to support it, but not enough for me to call it fact) is that the Balrogs gained their fearsome natures by putting their power into the bodies they crafted for themselves, in the way that Morgoth put his power into Arda itself or Sauron put his power into the One Ring. This is why when a Balrog is killed, they stay dead, unlike other Maiar (e.g. Gandalf/Sauron) who could gain new bodies after losing their existing ones.

If Gothmog were left in the place of Sauron, it's likely that the Balrog in Moria would have not hidden there for an Age, but served his Lord, and, like Escapist said, Gothmog may have been able to gather Smaug and the other dragons under his command, but they would have been no match for the forces of Gil-Galad, the remaining Silvan Elves, the Dwarves and the Numenoreans. Part of what made Sauron so successful was his ability to put on a fair-seeming face, something he was able to do until the Akallabeth. It was this fairness that lulled the Elves into complacency, allowing the Rings to be stolen, and let Sauron whisper lies among Elves, Men, and Dwarves in the manner that Melkor sowed lies and discord in Aman. Gothmog doesn't strike me as being the sort capable of such deeds-- especially given that he would be unable to shed his fearsome body for a fair-seeming one. And even if Gothmog has lasted through the 2nd Age, and was defeated in a manner similar to Sauron, there never would have been another rising of the Enemy at the end of the Third Age, as no Balrog has ever gained another body.

The Rings themselves would never have been forged. Celebrimbor, as clever as he was, needed the guidance and tutelage of Sauron, a one-time Maia of Aule, and knowledgeable of such things. Gothmog, as a Maia of Fire in the same class as Arien (who pilots the Sun), would not have had the knowledge to confer. Without the rings, the Witch-King and the Ringwraiths would never have come to be, which would have removed the need for Rivendell. Likely the Elven realms of Hollin and Lindon would have remained for millennia, and Moria would not have fallen into darkness as the Balrog there would not have stayed hidden until the Dwarves disturbed it. Which means also that Erebor would never have come to be, as Durin's folk would have had no need to find a new home.

The famed Seven Hoards of the Dwarves, each taken by a dragon, leading to the downfall of several dwarven realms, would never have grown to the level of wealth they attained, without the Seven Rings, and the dragons would likely not have come to lay claim to those hoards. The Istari would never have come to Middle-Earth, as they were sent in the Third Age in the event of Sauron's return-- something there would have been no need for if Gothmog had been defeated to end the Second Age.

Much that was beautiful and lost would still have remained, and the world would not have been broken by Illuvatar as the Numenoreans, even in their pride, would likely not have broken the ban of the Valar had Sauron not been there to poison the mind of Ar-Pharazon.

I could go on, but that's enough rambling. I like the tale as it is, myself. =)

Inferno.

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what if sauron was defeated in the first age? boldog Send a private message to boldog Sep 11 2013, 9:55am
    It depends on which you think is worse Escapist Send a private message to Escapist Sep 11 2013, 10:26am
    I doubt that there would have been Inferno Send a private message to Inferno Sep 12 2013, 5:09am
    Tolkien described ElendilTheShort Send a private message to ElendilTheShort Sep 12 2013, 9:29am

 
 
 

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