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Certainly Gandalf needs to display power-magic in Dol Guldur. But how? Let the books be your guide, filmcrew!

AinurOlorin
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Sep 10 2013, 11:28pm


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Certainly Gandalf needs to display power-magic in Dol Guldur. But how? Let the books be your guide, filmcrew! Can't Post

It is, as some of you know, a topic of import to me. How shall Gandalf acquit himself in Dol Guldur? Recent reports have the rumour and speculation stirring, and some worries as well. I am not entertaining the argument that Gandalf should fail to display powers. His abilities as a Wizard and Power don't make him any less of a Wise sage, and seeing him in action only confirms that there is MORE to him than that, it does not erase his words or scenes of wisdom.

I think it is essential that the balance between Dol Guldur being a creepy place, where we would NEVER want to end up, and where we fear for even Gandalf, AND, the firm presentation that Gandalf can handle himself better than virtually any other adventurer in Middle-Earth, be well achieved. That the Wizard perform feats of power in what will be one of the most severe spots of peril during his time as Gandalf should go without saying. He has to escape, with news of what he has seen, and there is no one for him to need to avoid overaweing. . . only his enemies and his need to get out of their inner sanctum.

What type magic will he perform? There are the rumours we have heard. . . and there are the novels. I desprately hope the film crew will have combed the novels for details, and that the powers he displays in the books are the ones they bring to bear here (you know I am hoping for that Amon Sul style showdown with The Nazgul Lords).

What do we KNOW Gandalf can do? We know he can effect the shapes and the intensity of fluid things like fire, smoke and water. Yes, WATER. Quiet as it is kept, Arwen's great flood sequence, one of the most impressive and iconic pieces of magic in the entire film series and in movie history, was actually not her doing at all. It was Elrond who released the river, and it was Gandalf who caused the waves to take on the likeness of stampeding horses. In the movies thus far, he has already done something similar (on a much smaller scale) with a smoke ring turned butterfly. I think it could be amazing if we see him use this ability in some form with fire (his trademark BLUE it is to be hoped) in Dol Guldur.

Mention of blue fire brings me to point two. We know, from the novels, that he is espcially proficient with fire enchantments, often changing their hue and inducing explosions (one of the companion books for An Unexpected credits him with this ability, and it is the one which features Thranduil and was printed up prior to the decision to make three films, so it may be that it is an allusion to things we will see in Desolation-Smaug).

We know, from the books and one scene in the movies, that he has power to command lightning, even without his staff in certain instances.

We know that the Nazgul detest flame and water, and most likely lightning as well.

As to the possiblility of dopplegangers. . . this was an unexpected one. It could be tacky, or it could be well handled. There is precedent for it among the Wizards. Though Gandalf is not seen to use it in the text, Saruman does, sending a phantasm of himself to startle and spy upon Legolas, Aragorn and Gimli, so that isn't entirely out of left field.


In the end, I hope to see something very impressive. Not overblown, but significant. Something to keep us from shaking our heads in shame for the Wizard when Galadriel blows Dol Guldur off the hilltop. Sly Unimpressed

Follow the novels and you cannot go wrong. These are inalienable and inarguable aspects of who Gandalf is, and how is magic manifests. As it is written, so let it also be shown.

"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!"

"Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."

(This post was edited by AinurOlorin on Sep 10 2013, 11:30pm)

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Certainly Gandalf needs to display power-magic in Dol Guldur. But how? Let the books be your guide, filmcrew! AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Sep 10 2013, 11:28pm
    Completely agree Arandir Send a private message to Arandir Sep 11 2013, 6:59am
        That is a fear, but I certainly hope they won't make that mistake. Two things play in favour of them doing the right thing AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Sep 11 2013, 7:53am
            Plus, burgahobbit Send a private message to burgahobbit Sep 11 2013, 11:00am
                Definitely, Burgahobbit and Sycoraxa82. I thought it fitting and proper that Radagast AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Sep 11 2013, 10:15pm
        # 2 of this list completely nails it on EVERY level. AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Sep 11 2013, 8:01am
            Very very true ... Arandir Send a private message to Arandir Sep 11 2013, 3:48pm
                Fingers crossed for it, Arandir my friend. AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Sep 11 2013, 10:16pm
        I wish they would reshoot the Witch-King confrontation sycorax82 Send a private message to sycorax82 Sep 11 2013, 6:22pm
    i still missed how in the book when Gandalf showed up in... MouthofSauron Send a private message to MouthofSauron Sep 12 2013, 3:18am
        Sauron Yngwulff Send a private message to Yngwulff Sep 12 2013, 3:48am
            No, however Sauron almost surely would not be the first wave of confrontation (and, yes please to Glorfindel in the full assault . .. SURVIVING in a hero Elf role!) AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Sep 12 2013, 4:09am
                ^ Liking all of this, AO. cats16 Send a private message to cats16 Sep 12 2013, 4:16am
        I really missed that too, HOWEVER, after the how many of Gandalf's displays of power were either AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Sep 12 2013, 4:01am
            agreed MouthofSauron Send a private message to MouthofSauron Sep 12 2013, 4:13am
                orcrist did glow Cirashala Send a private message to Cirashala Sep 12 2013, 5:10pm
                    nope MouthofSauron Send a private message to MouthofSauron Sep 13 2013, 3:38am
                        There were a few points where Glamdring glowed VERY briefly, as it was swung. AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Sep 13 2013, 10:20pm
    Hard to tell Old Pilgrim Send a private message to Old Pilgrim Sep 12 2013, 5:28am
        It is the books being quoted. Yes he encouraged, with wisdom, and his kind Spirit, and was aided by the healing power of The Red Ring, but make no mistake AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Sep 12 2013, 7:46am
            Yes but Hamfast Gamgee Send a private message to Hamfast Gamgee Sep 12 2013, 12:00pm
            True, but we are talking about Dol Guldur here Old Pilgrim Send a private message to Old Pilgrim Sep 12 2013, 12:56pm
                It is a trap. And as he said on Caradhras when the wargs came, ere another display of power, "Need we wait till morning? The Hunt is up!" AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Sep 13 2013, 9:36pm
                    Hopefully not... Salmacis81 Send a private message to Salmacis81 Sep 14 2013, 12:35am
                        Guard your heart, Salmacis. I hope as you do, but AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Sep 14 2013, 3:10am
                        maiar vs istari Cirashala Send a private message to Cirashala Sep 14 2013, 3:01pm
                            The Istari are Maia Otaku-sempai Send a private message to Otaku-sempai Sep 14 2013, 9:05pm
                            What Otaku said... Salmacis81 Send a private message to Salmacis81 Sep 15 2013, 3:09am
                            Otaku and Salmacis have nailed it. To give greater specifity, Olorin and Curumo were the highest of the Maiar who were sent and became known as AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Sep 15 2013, 5:28pm
    If we are going by the books Hamfast Gamgee Send a private message to Hamfast Gamgee Sep 12 2013, 11:56am
        True... Salmacis81 Send a private message to Salmacis81 Sep 12 2013, 2:43pm

 
 
 

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