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One thing that always interested me...

aruman
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Sep 8 2013, 2:28am


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What exactly went through the minds of Gandalf and the Captains of the West when the Mouth of Sauron revealed to them the tokens (the barrow dagger and mithril coat (I think there might have been a cloak too)).

Of course, simply seeing these tokens would probably cause them to lose all hope, but if you read carefully the words of the Mouth of Sauron, it could safely be guessed or assumed that he knew nothing of the quest and that Frodo was the Ringbearer. (Oh my gosh, for a moment a part of my brain almost didn't want to post that Frodo was the Ringbearer on a public forum b/c it was such a big secret (and who knows, maybe The Mouth of Sauron frequents these forums as well)).

Anyhoo, you can read the exact quotes, but he basically admits that he doesn't know what exactly Frodo's errand/purpose was and refers to them merely as "spies," if I recall correctly.

From these statements, it could logically be deduced that while the enemy is in possession of some of Frodo/Sam's belongings, they do not, in fact, have them captive.

Of course, at that moment, the Captains of the West were probably all very scared anyway, and their hope was hanging by the thinnest of threads, and at that moment they may not have been able to think through all this rationally.

Gandalf does demand that Frodo be brought forth, which, I guess, could be taken as a sign that Gandalf isn't sure that the enemy has Frodo.

One final possibility (assuming we were reading ROTK for the first time and hadn't yet learned what really happened to Sam and Frodo) would be that the enemy has captured Frodo, but isn't yet aware that he has the Ring. They would surely find out very soon, but one possible way in which this could happen would be if Frodo were captured by Sauron's servants and in the process being taken to Sauron before being searched/tortured, but hadn't exactly been brought before Sauron yet. If this were the case, it would still almost certainly spell the end of all hope. But even this might offer a very faint glimmer or hope, if the assault on the Black Gate could somehow cause enough of a disturbance/distraction in Mordor to allow Frodo to somehow escape (even after already being caught).

Thoughts?

In the movies Elrond, Denethor, Haldir, Galadriel, and Celeborn stink.

(This post was edited by aruman on Sep 8 2013, 2:31am)

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One thing that always interested me... aruman Send a private message to aruman Sep 8 2013, 2:28am
    Fight on, and do not despair! Meneldor Send a private message to Meneldor Sep 8 2013, 2:50am
        Tolkien's "Theory of Courage" at work here noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Sep 8 2013, 1:51pm
            I agree with both of your posts NoWiz elaen32 Send a private message to elaen32 Sep 8 2013, 3:08pm
                Frock and Sam :) // noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Sep 8 2013, 4:12pm
            Great point! aruman Send a private message to aruman Sep 13 2013, 1:51pm
    Aragorn the leader Rembrethil Send a private message to Rembrethil Sep 8 2013, 4:33am
        This is the Reading Room... Otaku-sempai Send a private message to Otaku-sempai Sep 8 2013, 11:42am
            I am thinking of these passages... Rembrethil Send a private message to Rembrethil Sep 8 2013, 7:44pm
                Fair enough... Otaku-sempai Send a private message to Otaku-sempai Sep 8 2013, 8:54pm
    Where is Sting? sador Send a private message to sador Sep 8 2013, 4:34am
        Exactly. Elizabeth Send a private message to Elizabeth Sep 8 2013, 8:36am
            Maybe Sam did what he nearly did and continued on his own. Hamfast Gamgee Send a private message to Hamfast Gamgee Sep 8 2013, 9:27am
    I think Gandalf, ring bearer himself, would know immediately if Sauron had regained The One Ring noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Sep 8 2013, 12:59pm
        Did Gandalf wear his ring? sador Send a private message to sador Sep 8 2013, 5:03pm
            Perfectly true: if he's not wearing his Ring, the argument falls. // noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Sep 8 2013, 5:07pm
            I have always thought so. squire Send a private message to squire Sep 8 2013, 10:15pm
                ring-wearing and ring-bearing and rapport with Sauron noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Sep 9 2013, 2:29pm
                    Ha! Blingless bigshot! Meneldor Send a private message to Meneldor Sep 9 2013, 2:58pm
                        Not too hard to guess who the bearers of the Three are… noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Sep 9 2013, 5:16pm

 
 
 

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