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Magpie
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Sep 4 2013, 2:16am

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I've been to Hell [In reply to] Can't Post

The Midwest Morris Ale was held in 'Hell' one year (actually Ann Arbor but the theme of the gathering was 'Hell'). One of the common instruments for Morris Dancers is the accordion. A bunch our accordionists recreated this cartoon by Gary Larson.





I wish I had a pic of the tshirt for that Ale. It was wicked cool. ;-)

Climax is 15 miles from where I grew up.


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Meneldor
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Sep 4 2013, 3:52am

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Ayuh. [In reply to] Can't Post

"So, you live in Maine your whole life?"
"Not yet."


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Rembrethil
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Sep 4 2013, 4:46am

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True [In reply to] Can't Post

But I've just grown up with them, I guess.


zarabia
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Sep 4 2013, 4:59am

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Haha! :D [In reply to] Can't Post

You'd never hear the phrase "was cooking up a storm" following my name; I'm an awful cook! Laugh But I'd be glad to shout you a drink. (My step-brothers lived much of their lives in New Zealand and Australia, they used to talk about something being their shout as in their turn to pay for something, usually drinks. Do they still say that?)

Anyway, that's interesting about reckon, up a storm, and tickled. Smile

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Starling
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Sep 4 2013, 5:40am

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I reckon [In reply to] Can't Post

it's your shout. Cool


Starling
Half-elven


Sep 4 2013, 5:58am

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NZ has the longest place name in the world [In reply to] Can't Post

Allegedly. I have no idea if it really is the longest, but we might as well just claim it.

You can see it here.

Remember that darned volcano with the impossible to pronounce name in Iceland a few years ago which was erupting and causing all sorts of difficulties? I wonder how many newsreaders ended up with ulcers. Crazy


FantasyFan
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Sep 4 2013, 2:06pm

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I'm from Detroit [In reply to] Can't Post

Detroit is a french word (meaning Straits). As it was founded by French Canadians in 1701, there are a lot of French spellings in place names (often from the French names of early settlers) but some of them have lost the French pronunciation.

"Detroit" itself being a prime example. If pronounced in French, it would be something like day-TWA. (Any French speakers please forgive my attempt at phonetics.) But instead it is dee-TROYT. It's purely a put on to pronounce it DEE-troyt.

Some have mostly retained the French pronunciation. "Beaubien," for example BOW-bee-ehn, where the last two syllables are not quite separate, and the accent on the first syllable is not very strong; but the eh sound is not quite as swallowed as real French. Similar to the example above, those who want to speak a false ghetto may say BOW-BEEN. "Cadieux" is CAD-diew (just a little bit of i before the e); mostly retaining the French but the accented syllable has been shifted forward.

Then there's "Gratiot" which, from the spelling, maybe ought to rhyme with "Detroit". It doesn't, for either possible pronunciation. It's GRAh-shit. The ah sound is not aaaaah, like a British sound, but rather a nasal version of the a in apple. We do have one other street newbies don't pronounce correctly - Schoenherr is SHAY-ner, again with the nasal a. And out-of-towners have no idea what to do with the end of Hamtramck. (Mentally insert an a between the m and c.)

Of course, I don't think I have an accent - everybody else does! But it seems that a Michigander is fairly easy to identify (we also tend to hold up our left hand and point to places on the back of it).


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Finrod, Athrabeth Finrod ah Andreth, HoME X Morgoth's Ring



Magpie
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Sep 4 2013, 3:09pm

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compulsive me had to do the count [In reply to] Can't Post

Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwll-llantysiliogogogoch = 58 letters (plus the dash)
taumatawhakatangihangakoauauotamateapokaiwhenuakitanatahu = 57 letters

the first looks shorter because all those Welsh "l"s take up less room.

and just for kicks:
http://youtu.be/bOb-XPZjUDA

http://youtu.be/Mp_aIHXzPoM

Go Wales.

:-)


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Annael
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Sep 4 2013, 3:11pm

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Bert & I! [In reply to] Can't Post

my dad loves to quote Bert & I.

My grandmother (raised in New Hampshire) said "ayuh."

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Annael
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Sep 4 2013, 3:17pm

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one more comment about Western US "accents" [In reply to] Can't Post

you can tell someone who isn't from the West by how they say "Oregon." Westerners say "Orruh-gun." Easterners say "Orry-gone."

My mother got a kick out of an East Coast relative who thought we lived in "Sea-tell" on the "Puggit" Sound, but most people say Se-AH-tel and PU-jit correctly.

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Meneldor
Tol Eressea


Sep 4 2013, 3:29pm

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New Hampshah? [In reply to] Can't Post

Y' can't get theyah from heyah.


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Magpie
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Sep 4 2013, 3:59pm

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Song of Hiawatha [In reply to] Can't Post

Near me are some falls called Minnehaha Falls. In 1855, The Song of Hiawatha by Henry Wadsworth Longfellow was published. However, Longfellow never visited the falls himself. He was inspired by the stories of Mary Eastman and Henry Rowe Schoolcraft and by a photograph of the falls.

I can't say whether the various place names in South Minneapolis predated Longfellow's poem or were inspired by Longfellow's poem but I suspect many are the latter. But all of these names are found in Song of Hiawatha:

Longfellow - neighborhood , street, school, park, historic house
Hiawatha - neighborhood, street, lake and park, public golf course, school, and the old name of the light rail running from downtown to the airport (now it has a number... oh joy)
Minnehaha (Daughter of the Arrow-maker) - neighborhood, falls and park, creek, street
Nokomis (Daughter of the Moon; Hiawatha's grandmother) - neighborhood, street, lake and park, library
Nawadaha (musician, sweet singer) - street
Keewaydin (The Northwest Wind) - street, school
Wabun (The East-Wind) - park
Wenonah (Hiawatha's mother) - school, park, street
Mondamin (The friend of man) - street

Standish - street, neighborhood - although not from Song of Hiawatha, Miles Standish was the subject of another poem by Longfellow.



Minnesotan phrases (although they are almost cliched by now and used to have some fun)

Ja, sure... you betcha.
Doncha know. (to end a sentence)
That's different. or... That's interesting. (which isn't necessarily a compliment. It's what you say when you got nothing nice to say)
Hot dish (casserole)
Uff da (Norwegian for 'oy vey')
Cold enough for you?
How you like this weather?


Highway 35 splits into two branches - one through Minneapolis, the other through St. Paul. We call them by the letters so it's

35-double-you and 35-eee

And we disregard the actual translations of foreign words. Mille Lacs is French for "one thousand lakes" but we call it Lake Mille Lacs.


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Starling
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Sep 4 2013, 6:35pm

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Now why am I not surprised [In reply to] Can't Post

that you would be the one to make an effort to check out the accuracy of the 'longest place name' claim?
I was far too lazy!

Ah well, Wales will just have to be our rivals in place names, as well as in rugby.


Magpie
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Sep 4 2013, 6:54pm

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That Welsh place name is just in my brain [In reply to] Can't Post

...since I was active in the Welsh heritage community here in town for a number of years and one expat Welshman used to do a ceili skit where he taught people how to say the name.

So the 'longest' name was in my brain and it (my brain) is always curious.

I did notice when I was at one site that it didn't claim to be the longest name... just a 'long name'... so it's possible there is some other name out there even longer.

I'm sure Treebeard would love both.


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RosieLass
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Sep 4 2013, 7:31pm

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Pronounce Saguache. [In reply to] Can't Post

Or Piceance.

Or Buena Vista.

Or Louisville.

That'll weed out them furriners! Tongue

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Starling
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Sep 4 2013, 7:38pm

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But hang on a minute, [In reply to] Can't Post

I just counted (using the place name sign on Te Ara), and it's 85 letters.
There are two even longer versions, one of 95 letters, and one of 105.

But apparently there is a place name in Thailand that beats both Wales and NZ anyway.

Now I really should go and do some work!


Hengist
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Sep 4 2013, 9:22pm

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It's a lot easier to just call it [In reply to] Can't Post

LLanvair PG...


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Hengist
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Sep 4 2013, 9:25pm

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But Hell is in Norway! [In reply to] Can't Post

I've been there!


" So let me get this straight. You want to fly on a magic carpet to see the King of the Potato People and plead with him for your freedom, and you're telling me you're completely sane? "


Hengist
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Sep 4 2013, 9:34pm

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Brit or Aussie... [In reply to] Can't Post

When I lived in the states people I met would often try and guess where i was from by my accent and most said Aussie - not sure why but I've heard other Brits have found the same thing.

I'm also originally from one of the Cinque ports in Kent - pronounced as "sink" as anybody pronouncing it as "sank" must be french and was therefore the enemy...

Also lived in Scotland for a while - one word that confused me for a while was "outwith" used as outside. Seems to be a scottish thing!


" So let me get this straight. You want to fly on a magic carpet to see the King of the Potato People and plead with him for your freedom, and you're telling me you're completely sane? "


sherlock
Gondor


Sep 5 2013, 6:50pm

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I feel like I've had this conversation before. [In reply to] Can't Post

I live in Annapolis, Md & my dad's from Eastport & he has some odd pronunciations like saying "ball" for boil. And we say wash as"warsh". Then there's nearby Balmer where some people say "warsh yer zhirt in the zink" instead of wash your shirt in the sink. I've also heard locals say "onny" for only.


elaen32
Gondor


Sep 5 2013, 8:35pm

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Talking of Cinque Ports.... [In reply to] Can't Post

Sandwich is a good one, although the place name came first. There is a small hamlet/village in the vicinity called Ham (I kid not) too!
There is a place called Mousehole, in Cornwall (pronounced Mowzle) which I always think sounds cute
At the other end of the scale, I always think that Maidenhead sounds a bit dubious!Crazy


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Hengist
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Sep 5 2013, 9:35pm

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Yes I know it very well! [In reply to] Can't Post

Smile


" So let me get this straight. You want to fly on a magic carpet to see the King of the Potato People and plead with him for your freedom, and you're telling me you're completely sane? "


elaen32
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Sep 5 2013, 9:41pm

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Ah, another Kentish person... [In reply to] Can't Post

I'm assuming you mean Sandwich- is that the Cinque port you used to live in? I know it fairly well- I've mostly lived around the Canterbury area. The town doesn't change much, but the surrounding area has changed a lot over the past 10-20 years


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Hengist
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Sep 5 2013, 9:50pm

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Yup [In reply to] Can't Post

Well went to school there - lived in one of the surrounding villages.


" So let me get this straight. You want to fly on a magic carpet to see the King of the Potato People and plead with him for your freedom, and you're telling me you're completely sane? "


Magpie
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Sep 5 2013, 11:21pm

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Charles de Lint set one of his books (The Little Country) in Mousehole [In reply to] Can't Post

He's one of my favorite authors.


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