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Glum
Bree

Sep 2 2013, 1:53pm

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Concerning Kili and Tauriel... Can't Post

Hello, I have a question which has been on my mind for a long time - there have been rumours that Kili and Tauriel are going to have a romantic relationship (meaning it's not the same as Gimli-Galadriel, but rather as Arwen-Aragorn). Some have already claimed that this is not a rumour, but a fact (and hate PJ for this as much as possible :-p ) So, could anyone here tell me what we know for sure about this relationship at this moment? Thank you very much :)


DwellerInDale
Rohan


Sep 2 2013, 2:11pm

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Ok, This question comes up frequently [In reply to] Can't Post

Glum, this rumor originated from an interview quote from Aiden Turner (Kili), in Total Film Summer 2012 issue, which is archived here on TORn: http://www-images.theonering.org/torwp/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/TotalFilm-Summer2012.jpg

In the interview, Matthew Leyland writes "...as well as chasing treasure, he's also pursuing female elf Tauriel." Then there is a quote from Turner: "I guess he knows nothing can ever happen. She's about 20 ft tall and he's only two!" This one line was the source of all the rumors. What I've always interpreted it to mean is that there will be a moment or two of comedy in the Mirkwood scenes (Tauriel apparently rescues Fili and Kili from the spiders). Kili may have something of a crush on her, so they'll play it for a few laughs because of the height difference, etc. There won't be any "romance" as such, not like Aragorn and Arwen in LOTR, for example. Tauriel may be around for Kili's final scene, however (if you haven't read the book, I won't spoil it for you).

Don't mess with my favorite female elf.




(This post was edited by entmaiden on Sep 2 2013, 6:02pm)


Escapist
Gondor


Sep 2 2013, 2:24pm

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I am neither worried nor surprised. [In reply to] Can't Post

I think of Gimlis' reaction to Galadriel as precedent and in this case we have a much younger dwarf so a "crush" doesn't seem "off" to me in the slightest. It doesn't have to be full blown romance. Appreciation of beauty and kindness / friendliness is not outside the realm of dwarven emotion to be sure - and we are following a sample of 13 said dwarves on a very long quest. This capacity shouldn't go completely unrepresented.

These characters are supposed to be living, breathing people - not children either. While TH was written with children in mind as an audience, and for many kids "kissing is gross" and "girls / boys have cooties", these movies are being made with a grown-up audience in mind. If a long adventure takes place that brings people in contact across many different cultures (especially if any of those are human) and no one winks, blinks, sighs, crushes on, or full out falls in love with someone else it will seem "unreal", at least to me. I don't think that means that there has to be "romance" because actually, that is a little bit more rare than mainstream media seems to suggest - but weaker versions of it simply abound in reality. This sounds like "not romance" and just a highly believable reaction that one of the dwarves has to beautiful elf lady.


Escapist
Gondor


Sep 2 2013, 2:51pm

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Also (sorry for double-post) [In reply to] Can't Post

I think that Kili-Tauriel could emphasize the drama of the dwarven-elven misunderstanding and be pretty cool to watch. I think it could really draw more people in deeper into the story.

This is also a pseudo-romance that could easily be pulled off without needing to add tangential plotlines so it would pull people into the heart of the tale rather than away from it.


Eleniel
Grey Havens


Sep 2 2013, 2:55pm

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Really? [In reply to] Can't Post


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just a highly believable reaction that one of the dwarves has to beautiful elf lady.





IMO in accordance with canon, it would be a highly unlikely reaction, since Dwarves and Elves have been at each other's throats, so to speak, since the First Age... (Thus the admiration of Gimli for Galadriel, and also his friendship with Legolas is truly remarkable and ground-breaking.)

Unless someone can convince me that in PJ's FotR the reason the Elves and Dwarves at the Council of Elrond can barely stand the sight of each other is all down to the events of The Hobbit? Wink


"Choosing Trust over Doubt gets me burned once in a while, but I'd rather be singed than hardened."
¯ Victoria Monfort


Symbelmine
Rohan


Sep 2 2013, 5:07pm

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Evangeline Lilly confirmed romance [In reply to] Can't Post

some time ago.
Tauriel isn’t only a fierce warrior; she has a softer side, too. “She will definitely have a love story,” Lilly says. “I can’t give away too much about it. It’s not a huge focus but it is there and it is important and it does drive Tauriel and her story and her actions.”

I do think it will be Kili when we consider she likes dwarves "Tauriel is ‘quite unlike other Elves’ and it’s hinted that she quite likes the dwarves (or is, at least, intrigued by them)."
-The wood elves give chase through the forest when the dwarves escape in barrels, but don’t follow them out of the forest.
- Except for Tauriel, who does follow then to Lake-town (defying Thranduil) and Legolas who decides to follow Tauriel (because he’s ‘very protective of her’).

Looks like her relationship with Legolas will be more like between older brother and sister. PJ has already confirmed there is no romance between them.
Thranduil is unlikely too and Bard is a family man in the movie.


Glum
Bree

Sep 2 2013, 5:23pm

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Is it really Kili? [In reply to] Can't Post

I'm not sure whether this is a reliable source, but what they write here is "However, she adds that loving relationship may not necessarily be shared with Legolas himself, but someone much closer to him." http://www.geeksofdoom.com/2013/06/05/geek-peek-evangeline-lilly-aims-high-in-the-hobbit-the-desolation-of-smaug

If this text is reliable, how could Kili be romanticaly involved with Tauriel? He has nothing to do with Legolas, does he?


Semper Fi
Rohan


Sep 2 2013, 5:30pm

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Taurili >>>>>>>>>>> Legoriel [In reply to] Can't Post

Elf and dwarf romance is interesting and different. They usually don't pair shorter man and taller woman. Also, this is interracial as well as inter-status (Kili is technically a Prince).

"RadagaStoner deserves no mercy!" Tauriel the Radagast Slayer, the Chief of Inglorious Elfguards

Tauriel saved us from Itaril. Never forget.



Semper Fi
Rohan


Sep 2 2013, 5:32pm

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Sounds like romance with Thranduil [In reply to] Can't Post

which would make my prophecy that Tauriel becomes Silvan Queen of Mirkwood come true. I honestly don't see any other ending for her.

"RadagaStoner deserves no mercy!" Tauriel the Radagast Slayer, the Chief of Inglorious Elfguards

Tauriel saved us from Itaril. Never forget.



Skaan
Lorien


Sep 2 2013, 5:32pm

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Maybe it's Thranduil? [In reply to] Can't Post

I remember hearing rumors from somewhere that Tauriel would be in love with Thranduil, but the feelings would be one-sided. However, i hardly see people talk about this rumor anymore so maybe it's been debunked somewhere and i've missed it?


Semper Fi
Rohan


Sep 2 2013, 5:35pm

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I'm pulling for it actually [In reply to] Can't Post

Because if she's involved with Legolas she'll die. Legolas is single in LOTR, put 2 and 2 together. OTOH, if she marries the King, her absence from LOTR is explained.

Though Taurieli would be adorkable, what Merrowyn would have been. Heart

"RadagaStoner deserves no mercy!" Tauriel the Radagast Slayer, the Chief of Inglorious Elfguards

Tauriel saved us from Itaril. Never forget.



DwellerInDale
Rohan


Sep 2 2013, 5:36pm

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No "romance" has been confirmed [In reply to] Can't Post

None of Evangeline's quotes have mentioned the word "romance". This is something different from "love story", which could mean anything, including star-crossed feelings, which is where I believe they are going in the movie. Tauriel has some star-crossed feelings for Legolas, knows that it isn't posssible (him being a prince and a high elf), just like Kili may have some star-crossed feelings for Tauriel. So these feelings will in part motivate the characters' actions, but as I said above, I don't think there will be any actual "romance" a la Aragorn and Arwen.

Added in edit: I see that the Tauriel + Thranduil romance rumor hasn't died yet either. This rumor originated from a purported conversation between Stefan Servos and ringer ArchedCory at HobbitCon a while back; it was around April 1st so I strongly suspected that it was part of an April Fool's joke. In the same conversation it was reported that Azog dies in DOS, and that has been 100% debunked.

Don't mess with my favorite female elf.




(This post was edited by DwellerInDale on Sep 2 2013, 5:43pm)


Symbelmine
Rohan


Sep 2 2013, 5:42pm

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"[Elven king] Thrandruil, has a soft spot for Tauriel and sees something very special in her. " [In reply to] Can't Post

Doesn´t sound like a romance to me.

I think she will die in BoFA. Just my speculation.


Lissuin
Tol Eressea


Sep 2 2013, 5:42pm

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*Bingo*, Escapist, [In reply to] Can't Post

to both posts, I'd say.


Lissuin
Tol Eressea


Sep 2 2013, 5:43pm

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Dare I say it? [In reply to] Can't Post


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the Elves and Dwarves at the Council of Elrond can barely stand the sight of each other


They were all male.Wink


Symbelmine
Rohan


Sep 2 2013, 5:49pm

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Nobody speaks about romance a la Aragorn/Arwen [In reply to] Can't Post

I don´t believe Tauriel will have crossed feelings for Legolas, or Thraduil and that Kili and her will have fully developed romance including something of sort of "I choose a mortal life" and kissing. But I do believe there will be romantic feelings between two that drives Tauriel´s decision to follow dwarves to Lake Town and to help them.
I don´t say I like it.


DwellerInDale
Rohan


Sep 2 2013, 5:52pm

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The OP speaks about romance a la Aragorn / Arwen [In reply to] Can't Post

That was Glum's question.

Don't mess with my favorite female elf.




Semper Fi
Rohan


Sep 2 2013, 6:16pm

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Thranduil's feelings for her are more important [In reply to] Can't Post

whether they are romantic or father feelings. I'm hoping they won't take this route but I can see her dying so that Elves and dwarves have a sort of coming together while mourning their fallen. In the book, no distinguished Elf (aka Elf with a face that we would care for) died. And reconciliation over beloved deceased bodies is a standard device that brings warring sides together. Plus Legolas could be retaining friendly feelings for dwarves in memory of her, among other things. It seems to me that she is the one who will be sympathetic to dwarves first, not Legolas.

I'm rooting for Tauriel the Queen of Mirkwood solution, though.

"RadagaStoner deserves no mercy!" Tauriel the Radagast Slayer, the Chief of Inglorious Elfguards

Tauriel saved us from Itaril. Never forget.



(This post was edited by Semper Fi on Sep 2 2013, 6:18pm)


Escapist
Gondor


Sep 2 2013, 6:16pm

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I do see your points. [In reply to] Can't Post

Kili is probably too young to have lived through times when elves and dwarves were in actual conflict and is quite young for a dwarf. He was kind of naive about the orc raids at night and may also be prone to similar reactions in other situations. To him many of these issues are "just stories" that he is waking up to the reality of during the course of the movie.

Mere affection / attraction / infatuation / being "taken with" a beautiful person doesn't seem extremely ground-breaking or demanding of an explanation in any case. It isn't quite the same thing as devoted passion and happens kind of a lot.


Eleniel
Grey Havens


Sep 2 2013, 6:39pm

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OR denied! [In reply to] Can't Post

You seem persistent in ignoring what Evangeline herself has to say on the matter:

https://twitter.com/...s/367013861838163970

ELVerified accountþ@EvangelineLilly 12 Aug
#TaurielTrivia Many of u have been asking about a Lego/Tauriel romance. I can neither confirm nor deny. #underpenaltyofdeath #Tauriel


When the Itaril character was dropped and Tauriel was introduced, PJ confirmed that there would be NO Tauriel-Legolas romance,

Why should Evie now be gagged from further confirmation of his statement unless it's one of two things?

Either the script has changed and there IS now a romance between the two,

OR

they (WB? PJ?) are determined to milk a possible controversy for all it's worth by refusing to kill off rumours - any publicity is good publicity!


"Choosing Trust over Doubt gets me burned once in a while, but I'd rather be singed than hardened."
¯ Victoria Monfort


(This post was edited by Eleniel on Sep 2 2013, 6:40pm)


Semper Fi
Rohan


Sep 2 2013, 6:55pm

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PJ called casting call bogus [In reply to] Can't Post

Yet almost everything in it came true. Radagast? Check. Female Elf who is the chief of King's Guard? Check. Some Orc character(s) with names? Check.

The only things that changed were Tauriel's name (formerly Itaril) and absence of Elf Lord of Rivendell (who many suspected to be the code for Legolas). That male character was her love interest and the romance had the class struggle element because he was a nobility. Sounds just like Legolas, no?

So why would anyone believe him that there would be no Legoromance? He denied it like he denied the accuracy of the casting call. That turned out to be an accurate casting call.

"RadagaStoner deserves no mercy!" Tauriel the Radagast Slayer, the Chief of Inglorious Elfguards

Tauriel saved us from Itaril. Never forget.



marillaraina
Rohan


Sep 2 2013, 7:19pm

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Kiliel? Taurili? TiKi? or Taurolas? or Thraniel? [In reply to] Can't Post


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I think of Gimlis' reaction to Galadriel as precedent and in this case we have a much younger dwarf so a "crush" doesn't seem "off" to me in the slightest. It doesn't have to be full blown romance. Appreciation of beauty and kindness / friendliness is not outside the realm of dwarven emotion to be sure - and we are following a sample of 13 said dwarves on a very long quest. This capacity shouldn't go completely unrepresented.

These characters are supposed to be living, breathing people - not children either. While TH was written with children in mind as an audience, and for many kids "kissing is gross" and "girls / boys have cooties", these movies are being made with a grown-up audience in mind. If a long adventure takes place that brings people in contact across many different cultures (especially if any of those are human) and no one winks, blinks, sighs, crushes on, or full out falls in love with someone else it will seem "unreal", at least to me. I don't think that means that there has to be "romance" because actually, that is a little bit more rare than mainstream media seems to suggest - but weaker versions of it simply abound in reality. This sounds like "not romance" and just a highly believable reaction that one of the dwarves has to beautiful elf lady.


Agree, that's how I see it, mostly. I am usually the most "hate romance, more fighting!" person around(esp involving my favorite characters), but oddly I can see a little bit of a crush or kind feelings between Kili and Tauriel, if that happens, as being a good addition to the story in the sense of bringing home certain themes.

If you look at how they are described, they have similar traits. He's open-minded, she's open-minded. He is less affected by old prejudices, she's less affected by old prejudices. The very traits that made him so open to Bilbo is likely to make him open towards her. He's a bit reckless, she sounds a bit reckless. Sort of the dwarven and elven versions of each other, except she's a high ranking but common military elf and he's a dwarven prince(so she may be taller, but technically he outranks her lol).

It's pretty easy to see where the two could end up connecting, if that happens. I tend to think it will end up more affectionate friendship than real romance(again this hinges on Kili and Tauriel even being involved in any way in the first place but going by the vlog they do seem to have a scene together at some point).

It could be rather sweet and ultimately bittersweet actually while still being connected to the main plotline as a sort of little side plot helping to illuminate the larger more important plot.


dormouse
Half-elven


Sep 2 2013, 7:27pm

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I'd say that an actual romance between them is incredibly unlikely... [In reply to] Can't Post

At most, he might make some comment about her looks and be slapped down by the other dwarves.

It certainly isn't fact, it's a rumour that's been going round and, like all rumours, has taken on a life of its own. But then, people also believe she is going to be have a romance with Legolas, Bard, Thranduil - poor girl's going to be awfully busy!

The answer is we know absolutely nothing for sure.


(This post was edited by dormouse on Sep 2 2013, 7:28pm)


Semper Fi
Rohan


Sep 2 2013, 7:27pm

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That's a wonderful analysis of Kili and Rieli [In reply to] Can't Post

Now all they need to do is find some quality screentime for Kili since he got ZERO in AUJ and there will be more characters in DOS who need introduction.

"RadagaStoner deserves no mercy!" Tauriel the Radagast Slayer, the Chief of Inglorious Elfguards

Tauriel saved us from Itaril. Never forget.



dormouse
Half-elven


Sep 2 2013, 7:43pm

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Did he deny the accuracy of the casting call personally? [In reply to] Can't Post

I remember that it was denied, I can't recall him denying it.

In any case, you ask why anyone would believe that there wasn't going to be a romance between Tauriel and Legolas? Easy - because he responded specifically and very clearly to that point. He said there isn't going to be a romance between them and I believe him 100%. And before you or anyone else jumps in with talk of knee jerk reactions and people who worship Peter Jackson, I'll just point out that I'm in the habit of believing people when they state categorically that such a thing is or isn't so. Any people - unless I have direct evidence that contradicts them.

I have no reason to think Peter Jackson would say this if it wasn't true - and in fact, it makes perfect sense to me anyway. Orlando Bloom is supposed to have been brought back into this film because Legolas was so popular first time round, especially with teenage girls, and that seems to be borne out by the way he's being promoted now. Well, those girls will be a bit older now but even so, the very idea that Legolas might have a love interest produced consternation in here some time back. The last thing Legolas fans want, it seems, is Legolas with a lady friend; all other considerations apart, I think that one alone rules it out. Peter Jackson says it won't happen and I believe him.

And as a minor point, why on earth would anyone use 'Elf Lord of Rivendell' as code for Legolas? He hasn't even been there at this point in the story!! For what it's worth, and I don't suppose we'll ever know, I'm guessing that when they changed Itaril to Tauriel, after Saoirse Ronan decided not to be in the film, they probably changed her storyline as well.

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