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Tolkien design vs Jackson design

Cirashala
Grey Havens


Sep 2 2013, 3:17am

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So, I saw some screencaps for our favorite shape-shifters home, and I was curious.

It was a lovely set, and I really liked how it was laid out, but where exactly is our company supposed to sleep?

It seems to be (at least from the inside) a large one room dwelling, and there is a gargantuan table smack in the center.

Are our dwarves going to sleep under it? Or perhaps on it?

I really loved Tolkien's illustration of a long hall with a firepit in the center and raised floor on either side-very reminiscent of an Iroquois longhouse, and something like that would have made more sense because the dwarves could have lain their bedrolls along that bare patch.

But, in Jackson's design, it seems that Beorn at least would have a bit of a tight space to maneuver about in, and there were (again, lovely, don't get me wrong) pieces of either furniture, or shelving, or honeycombs, etc seeming to cover every inch of that floor (except, as I mentioned, under the table).

Any thoughts?

Is Jackson's Beorn home (from what we have seen) better or worse than Tolkien's in terms of dwarf sleeping quarters?

Tauriel (as her hair catches during BO5A)- Ah, now I understand why you keep your beard so short, master Kili!
Kili: Um, because it grows slowly? (glares at her for perceived insult)
Tauriel: Because your arrows don't get tangled in your *^%*(^$%* beard every time you shoot! (more curses as it gets further tangled)
Kili: Um, YEAH! That's it! That's why I keep my beard short! (strides off triumphantly with a huge grin on his face, still shooting arrows as the cursing and tangles continues behind him)

Tauriel keeps fighting the tangles on the battlefield long after Dain takes the throne and Dale is rebuilt. Frodo takes the ring to Morder and once Sauron is defeated she FINALLY gets the last arrow out.

(This post was edited by Cirashala on Sep 2 2013, 3:26am)


Defiant
Bree

Sep 2 2013, 3:47am

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Perhaps we only saw part of it in the screen caps? [In reply to] Can't Post

 


Cirashala
Grey Havens


Sep 2 2013, 3:49am

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I sure hope so! From those spy shots we saw outside of it, it seems a lot bigger than the inside looked.....

Maybe that's why he doesn't want visitors- he doesn't want to step over them all!

Tauriel (as her hair catches during BO5A)- Ah, now I understand why you keep your beard so short, master Kili!
Kili: Um, because it grows slowly? (glares at her for perceived insult)
Tauriel: Because your arrows don't get tangled in your *^%*(^$%* beard every time you shoot! (more curses as it gets further tangled)
Kili: Um, YEAH! That's it! That's why I keep my beard short! (strides off triumphantly with a huge grin on his face, still shooting arrows as the cursing and tangles continues behind him)

Tauriel keeps fighting the tangles on the battlefield long after Dain takes the throne and Dale is rebuilt. Frodo takes the ring to Morder and once Sauron is defeated she FINALLY gets the last arrow out.


dormouse
Half-elven


Sep 2 2013, 7:47am

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It will have been designed almost certainly.... [In reply to] Can't Post

...by John Howe, Alan Lee, or both. Both men know Tolkien's books like the backs of their very talented hands and I think we can trust them not to make so basic a mistake.

Thoughts?

Yes - you really like the look of the set, why try to find problems with it? If the question of sleeping quarters has occurred to you, why would you assume that it hasn't occurred to them, when everything they design is looked at in such painstaking detail?


Morthoron
Gondor


Sep 2 2013, 5:10pm

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Tolkien drew Beorn's hall... [In reply to] Can't Post



Tolkien's illustration is an approximation of an Anglo-Saxon mead hall, such as would be found in "Beowulf".

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dormouse
Half-elven


Sep 2 2013, 6:34pm

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Yes, I know he did, and the OP referred to it anyway, [In reply to] Can't Post

...but the film set is more likely to be designed by the illustrators, isn't it?


Morthoron
Gondor


Sep 2 2013, 6:51pm

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No need to reinvent the wheel... [In reply to] Can't Post

Particularly if the wheel is staring right at you in black and white.

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(This post was edited by entmaiden on Sep 2 2013, 7:06pm)


Cirashala
Grey Havens


Sep 2 2013, 7:36pm

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I love the set- don't get me wrong.

In fact, since I prefer rustic decor, I would love to be able to walk that set!

I was just thinking in terms of curiosity and practicality, that's all.

I am sure they have considered that angle- one of the things I love about these films is that excruciating attention to detail- all one has to do is look at the costumes to see the hard work the crew and designers have put into it.

I was just curious, that's all.

Isn't this what these threads are for-speculation? Smile

Race is meaningless. We all bleed red-no matter who or what we are. What matters is the heart. For each race has those with good hearts and those with bad hearts. You have a good heart. You do not deserve to die.


dormouse
Half-elven


Sep 2 2013, 7:49pm

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I just find the relentless negativiity in here a bit wearing, and by setting it up as 'Tolkien vs Jackson' you seemed to be heading along that way. Which seemed a bit sad when you actually LIKED the design!

*passes olive branch*


Cirashala
Grey Havens


Sep 2 2013, 8:21pm

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I have no idea if I spelled my title right Tongue

I actually LOVE the films, and get really annoyed at the haters.

Were there things I would have done differently? possibly. Were there things I would have not altered? most definitely.

I understand the book vs film medium dilemma and am not overly critical of AUJ, unlike many people on here.

If we got a word for word adaptation of the book, it would be so boring I would likely fall asleep as we get twenty minutes of dwarves walking and whining through mirkwood......

The one thing I hope doesn't happen (which isn't likely to not happen unfortunately) is the rumored romance NO MATTER WHO IT IS WITH.

And I am annoyed at Tauriel's ridiculous hair length....

But alas, I try to be positive. If I want the book, I read the book. If I want the movie, I watch the movie. Simple really Smile

Tempted to start a thread asking people to return these forums to educated, friendly, speculative banter instead of the mudslinging "i like it" "I hate it" "Your'e stupid" "you're an idiot" fighting that honestly sounds like 8 year olds on the playground....

You know, I just might do that Wink

Race is meaningless. We all bleed red-no matter who or what we are. What matters is the heart. For each race has those with good hearts and those with bad hearts. You have a good heart. You do not deserve to die.

 
 

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