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Depends what you mean by "grand"...

Salmacis81
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Aug 29 2013, 5:23am


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Depends what you mean by "grand"... [In reply to] Can't Post

You're correct in that Pelennor was not the sole battle in the War of the Ring, but it was likely the biggest, and most important of the big "invasions", which I'm guessing is why Tolkien focused on it instead of, say, the attack on Lorien or the Battle of Dale.

Anyway, back to the Bo5A. If by "grand" you mean a more dazzling spectacle of a battle, that's one thing. But they can accomplish that without having to blow the numbers up to the point that it dwarfs Pelennor.


(This post was edited by Salmacis81 on Aug 29 2013, 5:24am)

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The Battle of Five Armies vs The Battle of the Pelennor Fields (The Greatest or Decisive?) Arandir Send a private message to Arandir Aug 28 2013, 5:54pm
    The most distinctive! Elizabeth Send a private message to Elizabeth Aug 28 2013, 6:27pm
    It'll all be about build-up morro91 Send a private message to morro91 Aug 28 2013, 6:50pm
    I just hope it's appropriate... Brandybuckled Send a private message to Brandybuckled Aug 28 2013, 7:27pm
    My only issue with BO5A being grander than Pellinor is Sinister71 Send a private message to Sinister71 Aug 28 2013, 7:34pm
        Hmmm.... dormouse Send a private message to dormouse Aug 28 2013, 8:28pm
        Agreed Salmacis81 Send a private message to Salmacis81 Aug 28 2013, 8:45pm
        Here is why, even though we know the numbers were greater on Pellenor fiel, it wouldn't be a big problem (or wouldn't have been) for this battle to be more grand. AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Aug 29 2013, 4:58am
            Depends what you mean by "grand"... Salmacis81 Send a private message to Salmacis81 Aug 29 2013, 5:23am
                Remember 12 dwarves turned the Bo5A in the book patrickk Send a private message to patrickk Aug 29 2013, 8:55am
                    But these are not just any dwarves ... Arandir Send a private message to Arandir Aug 29 2013, 9:27am
    I think you know where I stand on this... Salmacis81 Send a private message to Salmacis81 Aug 28 2013, 8:30pm
    One thing which is different about Bo5a Hamfast Gamgee Send a private message to Hamfast Gamgee Aug 28 2013, 11:08pm
    it'll be bigger, and in the book it read like it was bigger... MouthofSauron Send a private message to MouthofSauron Aug 29 2013, 3:08am
        the BO5A was nowhere near the scope of Pellinor fields Sinister71 Send a private message to Sinister71 Aug 29 2013, 3:39am
            Tolkien... MouthofSauron Send a private message to MouthofSauron Aug 29 2013, 3:51am
                And if he had the films would be SO much better Sinister71 Send a private message to Sinister71 Aug 29 2013, 3:56am
                    Well Elessar Send a private message to Elessar Aug 29 2013, 1:43pm
                        I love the parts that were close to the book Sinister71 Send a private message to Sinister71 Aug 29 2013, 2:28pm
                            We all love the books Elessar Send a private message to Elessar Aug 29 2013, 3:09pm
                                until I get my COMPLETE fan edit Sinister71 Send a private message to Sinister71 Aug 29 2013, 3:14pm
                                    Fan Edits are lame Elessar Send a private message to Elessar Aug 29 2013, 3:28pm
                                        I don't pay for it Sinister71 Send a private message to Sinister71 Aug 29 2013, 4:09pm
                                            Still is lame Elessar Send a private message to Elessar Aug 29 2013, 5:05pm
                                                I agree ... DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Aug 29 2013, 5:26pm
                                                    There are indeed egos involved. Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone Aug 29 2013, 5:30pm
                                                        Hmmm.... Salmacis81 Send a private message to Salmacis81 Aug 29 2013, 9:33pm
                                                    I agree Elessar Send a private message to Elessar Aug 29 2013, 5:34pm
                                                    hopefully we get a "closer" adaptation sooner than later Sinister71 Send a private message to Sinister71 Aug 29 2013, 5:44pm
                                                No youre lame Lusitano Send a private message to Lusitano Sep 1 2013, 5:30pm
                                            Hmm. Ataahua Send a private message to Ataahua Aug 29 2013, 7:15pm
                                                I guess I see it differently Sinister71 Send a private message to Sinister71 Aug 29 2013, 7:31pm
                                                    You're right, we do see it differently. Ataahua Send a private message to Ataahua Aug 29 2013, 7:47pm
                                                        The sad part is its not just me that sees it that way // Sinister71 Send a private message to Sinister71 Aug 29 2013, 7:53pm
                                                            Yup. sauget.diblosio Send a private message to sauget.diblosio Aug 30 2013, 7:58am
                                                                Yes, that's a pretty fair summary, IMO. // Eleniel Send a private message to Eleniel Aug 30 2013, 8:16am
                                                        I see it as well Elessar Send a private message to Elessar Aug 29 2013, 8:22pm
                                                            Yep. Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone Aug 29 2013, 8:23pm
                                                                Go on then. Add me to the list. :-) / DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Aug 29 2013, 8:57pm
                                                                Ditto Elessar Send a private message to Elessar Aug 29 2013, 9:04pm
                                                        As Tolkien said: Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone Aug 29 2013, 8:59pm
                                                            I'm glad people can enjoy Sinister71 Send a private message to Sinister71 Aug 29 2013, 9:44pm
                                                                This is my main issue with Jackson's take on TH... Salmacis81 Send a private message to Salmacis81 Aug 29 2013, 9:52pm
                                                                    BIngo Sinister71 Send a private message to Sinister71 Aug 29 2013, 9:57pm
                                                                    Isn't that exactly what these movies are, though? Skaan Send a private message to Skaan Aug 29 2013, 10:15pm
                                                                        Maybe he should put in big bold letters then Sinister71 Send a private message to Sinister71 Aug 29 2013, 10:23pm
                                                                            Well, that IS how they're marketing these films Skaan Send a private message to Skaan Aug 29 2013, 10:30pm
                                                                                I haven't seen them marketed that way Sinister71 Send a private message to Sinister71 Aug 29 2013, 10:38pm
                                                                                    Then it looks like you're keeping a blind eye to that which you don't want to see Skaan Send a private message to Skaan Aug 29 2013, 10:53pm
                                                                                        they could just as easily put Sinister71 Send a private message to Sinister71 Aug 29 2013, 11:19pm
                                                                        To some extent, yes... Salmacis81 Send a private message to Salmacis81 Aug 30 2013, 1:14am
                                                                            All of it, practically. Everytime changes come up, there is this deceptive ruse about AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Sep 1 2013, 2:20am
                                                        "The spirit of Tolkien" Salmacis81 Send a private message to Salmacis81 Aug 29 2013, 9:22pm
                                                    It's strange to me how... cats16 Send a private message to cats16 Aug 29 2013, 9:29pm
                                                        The Tolkien Estate did not hold the rights... Salmacis81 Send a private message to Salmacis81 Aug 29 2013, 9:34pm
                                                            *turns brain on* cats16 Send a private message to cats16 Aug 29 2013, 9:46pm
                                                        actually JRR Tolkien himself signed them over Sinister71 Send a private message to Sinister71 Aug 29 2013, 9:48pm
                            Have to disagree with you that they don't respect Tolkien... dormouse Send a private message to dormouse Aug 29 2013, 6:49pm
                                This isn't really much of an issue for me... Salmacis81 Send a private message to Salmacis81 Aug 30 2013, 1:25am
                                    Sadly Sinister71 Send a private message to Sinister71 Aug 30 2013, 2:06am
                                        So.... it's sad for you that some of us like the film.... dormouse Send a private message to dormouse Aug 30 2013, 10:54am
                                            This, exactly. Noria Send a private message to Noria Aug 30 2013, 11:36am
                                                "Something had to be done" Salmacis81 Send a private message to Salmacis81 Aug 30 2013, 2:34pm
                                                    Exactly. sauget.diblosio Send a private message to sauget.diblosio Aug 30 2013, 2:49pm
                                                        Yep... Salmacis81 Send a private message to Salmacis81 Aug 30 2013, 3:01pm
                                                        Allelujah. I must say, aside from the poop and buffonry, Radagast didn't bother me. I found the scene AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Sep 1 2013, 2:17am
                                            Thank you and Well Said :) Elessar Send a private message to Elessar Aug 30 2013, 12:01pm
                                            Well I'm glad for you Sinister71 Send a private message to Sinister71 Aug 30 2013, 12:37pm
                                                No, you mistake me.... dormouse Send a private message to dormouse Aug 30 2013, 1:12pm
                                                    It does seem to me that there are double standards being applied... Eleniel Send a private message to Eleniel Aug 30 2013, 1:24pm
                                                        Is that a double standard? I'm not sure.... dormouse Send a private message to dormouse Aug 30 2013, 1:47pm
                                                            I pointed out that my comment was a general point and not personal to your reply... Eleniel Send a private message to Eleniel Aug 30 2013, 2:07pm
                                                        I'm glad there are those willing to express their displeasure sauget.diblosio Send a private message to sauget.diblosio Aug 30 2013, 2:08pm
                                                            Its not about saying or not saying Elessar Send a private message to Elessar Aug 30 2013, 2:28pm
                                                                Well, to be fair... Salmacis81 Send a private message to Salmacis81 Aug 30 2013, 2:43pm
                                                                    I think it depends Elessar Send a private message to Elessar Aug 30 2013, 2:49pm
                                                                There are multiple posters who kind of talk down to those that like it Lusitano Send a private message to Lusitano Sep 1 2013, 5:35pm
                                                                    Talking down to someone is never good Elessar Send a private message to Elessar Sep 1 2013, 6:31pm
                                                        thats exactly what it is double standards Sinister71 Send a private message to Sinister71 Aug 30 2013, 3:02pm
                                                            This is missing the point DwellerInDale Send a private message to DwellerInDale Aug 30 2013, 4:08pm
                                                                Oh crikey! DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Aug 30 2013, 4:15pm
                                                                    Well I'm glad you enjoyed all the... DwellerInDale Send a private message to DwellerInDale Aug 30 2013, 4:25pm
                                                                        It's alright... DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Aug 30 2013, 5:10pm
                                                                            Trust me I hate Twilight way worse than AUJ Sinister71 Send a private message to Sinister71 Aug 30 2013, 5:17pm
                                                                    Well Sinister71 Send a private message to Sinister71 Aug 30 2013, 4:55pm
                                    This... sauget.diblosio Send a private message to sauget.diblosio Aug 30 2013, 8:19am
                Sticking to the book... Salmacis81 Send a private message to Salmacis81 Aug 29 2013, 5:16am
                    So true.... Mirkwood Sinister71 Send a private message to Sinister71 Aug 29 2013, 1:18pm
                    Amen! I felt this way as well. Was pleased with the Dol Guldur inclusion, but HATED the reckless AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Sep 1 2013, 2:15am
        in the book Lusitano Send a private message to Lusitano Sep 1 2013, 5:39pm
    BoFA (some spoilers) Skaan Send a private message to Skaan Aug 29 2013, 11:33am
    RE Retro315 Send a private message to Retro315 Aug 29 2013, 11:36pm

 
 
 

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