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Thorin's Vanishing Wounds??

The Shire

Aug 29 2013, 4:42am

Post #1 of 14 (945 views)
Thorin's Vanishing Wounds?? Can't Post

My biggest complaint about AUJ is the fact that Thorin took a HEAVY beating at the end of the film, and appeared to be A-OK.

He was hit in the face with a mace, which should have killed him or at least broken his jaw.

He was chewed on and tossed like a chew toy by a warg.

How are these injuries ignored so easily?!

Tol Eressea

Aug 29 2013, 5:05am

Post #2 of 14 (580 views)
Cuz dwarves are tough. [In reply to] Can't Post

Just ask them; they'll tell you how tough they are.

They that go down to the sea in ships, that do business in great waters; These see the works of the Lord, and his wonders in the deep.


Aug 29 2013, 7:44am

Post #3 of 14 (519 views)
I entirely agree. [In reply to] Can't Post

It's part of the whole "cartoon violence" approach in this film, and diminishes its credibility much more than is necessary.

Hamfast of Gamwich

Aug 29 2013, 7:45am

Post #4 of 14 (490 views)
Injuries [In reply to] Can't Post

He has scars all over his face (and probably the rest of his body), he lies unconscious in the feet of an eagle from sunset until sunrise and all the company are clearly concerned about him. The fact he gets up, speaks a bit and hugs Bilbo doesn't mean he's back to full fitness, just that he's survived.

Plus dwarves are clearly tougher than humans. They survive all that stuff in Goblin Town as well. They clearly have greater bone density or something.

"Durin's Heir you may be, but even with one eye you should see clearer. If this is victory, then our hands are too small to hold it. We will not enter Khazad-dum. You will not enter Khazad-dum. Beyond the shadow of the gate it waits for you still: Durinís Bane. The world must change and some other power than ours must come before Durinís Folk walk again in Moria.Ē


Aug 29 2013, 9:08am

Post #5 of 14 (469 views)
Why are we concerned now? [In reply to] Can't Post

I didn't see anyone complain how Boromir recovered so quickly after being thrown forcefully into a wall, or Aragorn after he was thrown tens of feet from an exploding wall, standing right above the area of the blast. In both instances there is no discernible damage to the victim.

It's established by Tolkien and the film that Dwarves have strong bones (think the headbutt). I imagine Thorin will bear the scars and nurse the wounds, but there's no reason to think him being able to continue the journey would be unrealistic. Perhaps Beorn will be able to patch him up somewhat?

Hamfast Gamgee
Grey Havens

Aug 29 2013, 10:23am

Post #6 of 14 (423 views)
He was wearing tough armour! [In reply to] Can't Post


The Shire

Aug 29 2013, 1:17pm

Post #7 of 14 (361 views)
but still [In reply to] Can't Post

A mace to the face should have killed him easily.

Tol Eressea

Aug 29 2013, 1:30pm

Post #8 of 14 (381 views)
Jackson easily solves this problem [In reply to] Can't Post

He avoided any sort of realism to real world physics and injuries that might happen in the real world Wink These are OTT stereotypical fantasy films at this point after all Wink

The Shire

Aug 29 2013, 1:44pm

Post #9 of 14 (358 views)
mace to the face? [In reply to] Can't Post

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A mace to the face should have killed him easily.

Did the mace really hit him in the face? I thought it just hit his chest (which was protected by armor) and his head swung back from the impact of the blow to his chest.


Aug 29 2013, 1:46pm

Post #10 of 14 (370 views)
Don't forget [In reply to] Can't Post

Frodo's Mithril shirt somehow making him immune to any sort of damage from the stab of the troll but somehow not being able to save him from Shelob's sting. Or while we're at it, Legolas' arrows bouncing off the the head of the cave troll in FotR, but somehow managing to pierce the skull of an Oliphaunt.

I don't see any problem with physics or whatever irrelevant word it is people like to throw around everytime something like this comes up. He had loads of armor on. Just because he was chewed on by a Warg doesn't mean he should suddenly lose a couple of limbs or anything. At most, he would have gotten a couple of bruises or bite marks, but just because we couldn't see that because he had armor on, doesn't mean he didn't have any. Regarding the mace-to-the-head situation, someone else already pointed out that Thorin was unconscious for quite a while and only seemed to recover once Gandalf did some kind of healing magic on him. I don't see how him surviving is such a big deal then? (especially coupled with the fact, as others have mentioned aswell, that dwarves have strong bones).

Also, he had a pretty big scar on his face after that battle, so his wounds didn't just magically vanish.


Aug 29 2013, 1:49pm

Post #11 of 14 (361 views)
No different than the other Jackson LotR films [In reply to] Can't Post

Aragorn survived a fall off a cliff, then climbed on a horse, took a long ride, and then fought in a huge battle.

That seems like a bigger stretch than Thorin taking a shot from a mace and passing out for a 1/2 a day. At least in Thorin's case it's a bit established that dwarves have a tougher constitution than humans.

"Here is a book very unsuitable for dramatic or semi-dramatic representation. If that is attempted, it needs more space, a lot of space."

- J.R.R. Tolkien, 1956

Tol Eressea

Aug 29 2013, 5:23pm

Post #12 of 14 (294 views)
yeah it wasn't to the face [In reply to] Can't Post

the mace hit his upper torso, not his face.

take me down to the woodland realm where the trees are green and the elf women are pretty....Oh will you please take me home!!


Aug 29 2013, 5:26pm

Post #13 of 14 (304 views)
Remember Balin and Dwalin in Bag End [In reply to] Can't Post

They headbutted each other pretty darn hard...that serves as a explanation for some if not all of the beating the Dwarves suffer-some of it is just stupid admittedly, e.g. the fall after Gandalf kills Jabba the Orc...erm, I mean the Goblin King

"All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us."-Gandalf

Tol Eressea

Aug 29 2013, 9:03pm

Post #14 of 14 (266 views)
I bet that if we looked... [In reply to] Can't Post

On their....er....seats....we'd find a stamp, "Made in Valinor".

Aule doesn't skimp in his handiwork!


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