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Indeed Ethel, JRRT discusses it in Letter #131

Brethil
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Aug 29 2013, 2:53am


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Indeed Ethel, JRRT discusses it in Letter #131 [In reply to] Can't Post

Which as we all know I do enjoy.

He says there: "In the first we see a sort of second fall or at least 'error' of the Elves. There was nothing wrong essentially in their lingering against counsel, still sadly with the mortal lands of their old heroic deeds. But they wanted to have their cake without eating it. They wanted the peace and bliss and the perfect memory of 'The West', and yet to remain on the ordinary earth where their prestige as the highest people, above wild Elves, dwarves and Men, was greater than at the bottom of the hierarchy of Valinor. They thus became obsessed with 'fading', the mode in which the changes of time (the laws of the world under the sun) was perceived by them. They became sad, and their art (shall we say) antiquarian, and their efforts all really a kind of embalming..."

So that's how the One really, ultimately came about: the Elvish desire to hold onto the past, and never let go of the glory and joy that they took in Arda as it was in THAT moment, and using what he calls 'the closest to magic and the machine' to keep things as they are. A completely understandable failing but a failing nonetheless.

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Silmarillion Chapter Discussion: Akallabeth (Downfall of Numenor) Part II Rembrethil Send a private message to Rembrethil Aug 25 2013, 4:18am
    Sauron: the Evil Mastermind--Topic Sub-thread Rembrethil Send a private message to Rembrethil Aug 25 2013, 4:20am
        To tell you the truth CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Aug 26 2013, 12:00am
            Curiousity killed the .... Numenorean? Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Aug 27 2013, 3:00am
                Bans will do that Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone Aug 27 2013, 7:19pm
                    Very true Darkstone Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Aug 27 2013, 11:07pm
                Curiosity seemed to kill the Elven Ring-makers too. CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Aug 27 2013, 7:37pm
                    IMO, Meneldor Send a private message to Meneldor Aug 27 2013, 10:13pm
                        All excellent points Meneldor Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Aug 27 2013, 11:11pm
                        Great distinction CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Aug 28 2013, 2:47am
                            Wisdom and Understanding. Rembrethil Send a private message to Rembrethil Aug 28 2013, 6:06pm
                    (**hahaha!**) // Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Aug 27 2013, 10:59pm
                    Now a more serious reply... Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Aug 28 2013, 12:02am
                        Another great distinction CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Aug 28 2013, 2:17pm
                            The problem of the Elves. Rembrethil Send a private message to Rembrethil Aug 28 2013, 6:16pm
                                Loss of childhood CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Aug 28 2013, 7:21pm
                                    I always had exactly the same reaction Ethel Duath Send a private message to Ethel Duath Aug 29 2013, 2:15am
                                        Indeed Ethel, JRRT discusses it in Letter #131 Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Aug 29 2013, 2:53am
                                            Alert to Reading Room! CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Aug 29 2013, 12:07pm
                                                Thanks for the shout-out CG! Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Aug 29 2013, 5:09pm
                                                    Updated avatar CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Aug 29 2013, 5:24pm
                                                        Hmm. I'll save the shotgun for later. But no peanuts for you. // Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Aug 29 2013, 7:19pm
    The New Geography of Arda--Topic Sub-thread Rembrethil Send a private message to Rembrethil Aug 25 2013, 4:23am
        What I want to know is CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Aug 26 2013, 12:04am
    Blind Men--Topic Sub-thread Rembrethil Send a private message to Rembrethil Aug 25 2013, 4:28am
        Yes, they are like comic book villains, aren't they? CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Aug 26 2013, 12:09am
    Great questions and commentary! Answers Part 1 CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Aug 26 2013, 1:22am
        Tar-Palantir Rembrethil Send a private message to Rembrethil Aug 26 2013, 4:36am
        question about substitute religions Riven Delve Send a private message to Riven Delve Aug 29 2013, 4:08pm
            Part of that, yes CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Aug 29 2013, 5:14pm
                OK, I think I got it Riven Delve Send a private message to Riven Delve Aug 29 2013, 6:02pm
                    Yup Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone Aug 29 2013, 6:08pm
                    The mysterious Faithful CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Aug 29 2013, 6:48pm
                        Probably JRRT intended the mystery about the beliefs of the Faithful Riven Delve Send a private message to Riven Delve Aug 29 2013, 11:08pm
        Personal conflicts in faith Rembrethil Send a private message to Rembrethil Aug 29 2013, 8:47pm
            Personal choices and doubt CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Aug 29 2013, 9:05pm
                Oh yes, totally!!! Rembrethil Send a private message to Rembrethil Aug 29 2013, 9:42pm
                    I could see the status quo group CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Aug 30 2013, 12:09am
    Answers Part 2 CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Aug 26 2013, 1:23am
        The greatest race of Men who ever lived, "mindless pawns"? squire Send a private message to squire Aug 26 2013, 2:11am
            The abandoned "The Lost Road" sador Send a private message to sador Aug 26 2013, 2:02pm
        Divine prerogative Rembrethil Send a private message to Rembrethil Aug 26 2013, 4:42am
            Kindness of Eru Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Aug 27 2013, 3:15am
    Concerning trees... Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Aug 27 2013, 11:53pm
    A troubling story... Bombadil21 Send a private message to Bombadil21 Aug 30 2013, 10:27am
        By a thumb test CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Aug 30 2013, 12:23pm
            Eru and punishment Bombadil21 Send a private message to Bombadil21 Aug 31 2013, 12:46am
        Everybody's favorite Devil's Advocate Rembrethil Send a private message to Rembrethil Aug 30 2013, 3:12pm
            A reply Bombadil21 Send a private message to Bombadil21 Aug 31 2013, 12:34am
                Devil's Advocate 2: The Revenge Rembrethil Send a private message to Rembrethil Aug 31 2013, 4:00am
                    Eru the war criminal? noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Aug 31 2013, 4:24pm
                        "Eru is merciful" CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Sep 2 2013, 8:55pm
                    Judging Eru CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Sep 2 2013, 9:25pm
                        Clashing free wills? Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Sep 2 2013, 9:33pm
                            Capital punishment CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Sep 2 2013, 9:48pm
                                Paternal intervention and the theology of the death of Numenor Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Sep 3 2013, 2:12am
        The Valar don't know the answer, and do not have the power noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Aug 30 2013, 5:22pm
    Aldarion and Erendis CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Sep 2 2013, 10:08pm
        Pure humor and speculation here... Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Sep 3 2013, 2:16am
        Didn't Tolkien say.... Rembrethil Send a private message to Rembrethil Sep 3 2013, 2:50am

 
 
 

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