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The next three LOR movies that need to be made.

Swingcatpdx
The Shire

Aug 20 2013, 9:38pm

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The next three LOR movies that need to be made. Can't Post

I would like to see three films made of Sauron's story, call it "The Lord of the Rings: The Rise of Sauron" to include:

Film One:
*As a Maia and initial corruption
*Morgoth's liutenant of Angband
*Commander of the Balroqs, Werewolves and Vampires
*Battle of and fall of Gondolin

Film Two:
*Humbling and Capture of Sauron by Numenor
*Corruption of Numenor
*Destruction of Numenor

Film Three
*Annatar giver of gifts
*Forging of three rings
*Forging of the one ring
*Seduction of the nine Kings of Men to Nazgul
*War of Elves and Sauron
*Lead up to Last Alliance of Elves and Men

Comments?


(This post was edited by Swingcatpdx on Aug 20 2013, 9:47pm)


Soundchaser
The Shire

Aug 23 2013, 8:42pm

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Sounds good to me... [In reply to] Can't Post

when do you start? Cool

I'm chasing sound. Has anyone seen any?


Swingcatpdx
The Shire

Aug 23 2013, 9:07pm

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Peter Jackson [In reply to] Can't Post

Got to get "THE ONE" signed back up: Peter Jackson!


Remus
Lorien

Aug 23 2013, 9:22pm

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Oh my God! [In reply to] Can't Post

I would love to see this. As i already think Sauron is seen too little and i wanna see him much much more!


Seeing Sauron talk and fight in the next two movies is top 3 on my list what i want to see! I guess we will see him in Desolation of Smaug when Gandalf and Radagast gets there. Would not make sense for Sauron just to disappear somewhere else. Or not show himself.


And Benedict is credited as the Necromancer in DoS too!

Can't wait!


(This post was edited by dernwyn on Aug 24 2013, 1:52am)


malickfan
Gondor


Aug 23 2013, 9:43pm

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No thanks. [In reply to] Can't Post

Not necessary, no real story to adapt from the books they have the rights to, would ruin the mystery of the character, and frankly sounds like a desperate search for money by a new line exec.

I would rather watch the transfomers trilogy...and I HATED the last two.

Some things need to remain sacred, if every scrap of writing by Tolkien is adapted, rewrttien or expanded into commercialised blockbuster films (Which IMO after Jackson's versions is the only likely one we will ever see) what is the point in reading the books?

In anycase Sauron's backstory was never set in stone, had Tolkien lived a few years longer, he would likely as not completely altered his backstory, niggler indeed.

The Talking Purse is Awesome, deal with it.

But he isn't quite as aweome as Cirdan.

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Escapist
Gondor


Aug 23 2013, 10:11pm

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This falls in that impossible space [In reply to] Can't Post

between already published works and each person's personal version of what belongs in this space

and total wild invention that needs enough air and free space just to be able to breathe and exist.


I think it is better to choose one side or the other of this coin.
Either go with the Tolkien Society or some other group that has privilege and make something modest and as close to lore as possible with the right people involved
or use this outline for inspiration on a villain of your own invention that will have to find other non-Tolkien sources and rely on plot lines outside of the works of Tolkien to make the audience care and feel the importance and gravity of their actions.


I like PJ's work and certainly think it is better than what I have seen of any other interpretation of Tolkien as a movie, but this kind of project is in a different category than adapting LotR or TH using secured rights through mainstream channels.


Otaku-sempai
Half-elven


Aug 24 2013, 12:38am

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Isn't 'Annatar' out of order? [In reply to] Can't Post

Annatar was a form Sauron used in the Second Age, before the downfall of Numenor. Would your third film backtrack a bit? The creation of the Rings of Power and the War of the Elves and Sauron happened before "the Humbling and Capture of Sauron by Numenor".

'There are older and fouler things than Orcs in the deep places of the world.' - Gandalf the Grey, The Fellowship of the Ring


Swingcatpdx
The Shire

Aug 24 2013, 12:44am

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Timeline [In reply to] Can't Post

Perhaps got my timelines mixed-up....havent read Silmarillion or Appendices in quite awhile. OP was just off the top of my head. Perhaps everyone can add details I've missed?

But I would like to have GALADRIEL do all narration parts.


Otaku-sempai
Half-elven


Aug 24 2013, 12:55am

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If you want to keep things in chronological order [In reply to] Can't Post


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Perhaps got my timelines mixed-up....havent read Silmarillion or Appendices in quite awhile. OP was just off the top of my head. Perhaps everyone can add details I've missed?

But I would like to have GALADRIEL do all narration parts.



You need to switch films two and three, except for "Lead up to Last Alliance of Elves and Men" which should follow the destruction of Numenor.

'There are older and fouler things than Orcs in the deep places of the world.' - Gandalf the Grey, The Fellowship of the Ring


Otaku-sempai
Half-elven


Aug 24 2013, 6:23pm

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I don't really think that this is a commercially viable project [In reply to] Can't Post

I just don't see a tentpole film trilogy about Tolkien's greatest villain as something that a major studio is going to green-light. I also doubt that audiences would flock to it. The fact that the Tolkien Estate has a lock on the screenrights to The Silmarillion puts another big damper on this idea.

The most viable concept that I can see for a new Middle-earth movie (or series of movies) that can be derived solely from The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings (okay, just from LotR and its Appendices) is a film or films telling the pre-LotR story of Aragorn, son of Arathorn. It would have to be made either without Viggo Mortensen or with the older King Elessar recalling his youth. Tolkien's biography of Aragorn is sketchy, so there is a lot of creative freedom and not much canon to contradict.

'There are older and fouler things than Orcs in the deep places of the world.' - Gandalf the Grey, The Fellowship of the Ring


Semper Fi
Rohan


Aug 24 2013, 11:47pm

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If main bad guy-as-protagonist is like Loki [In reply to] Can't Post

yes they will flock to that movie. Protagonists that would have been classic antagonists once upon a time, when cinema and TV were more clean cut, are becoming increasingly popular. And if they can make a movie told from Maleficent's POV where she is the main protagonist, a movie with Loki-like Sauron would have been just as compelling.

"RadagaStoner deserves no mercy!" Tauriel the Radagast Slayer, the Chief of Inglorious Elfguards

Tauriel saved us from Itaril. Never forget.



Otaku-sempai
Half-elven


Aug 25 2013, 8:18pm

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This films would also cover a long period of time [In reply to] Can't Post

We don't have a set of likeable heroes to carry us from one film to the other. The few we do have (Elrond, Galadriel, Glorfindel) are completely left out of some of the major events. Also, much of the story is intricately bound up with events that are related in detail in The Silmarillion, which the filmmakers do not have the rights to. In fact, I don't see how these films could be made without the screenrights to The Sil.

'There are older and fouler things than Orcs in the deep places of the world.' - Gandalf the Grey, The Fellowship of the Ring


Semper Fi
Rohan


Aug 25 2013, 8:54pm

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Tony Soprano was likable protagonist [In reply to] Can't Post

Stop thinking about a protagonist in a classic hero sense that he must be a do-gooder or a rogue with the heart of gold. OP is right. Sauron is a perfect protagonist precisely because he's different from LOTR's knights in shiny armor and The Hobbit's grumpy men who do the right thing. He's different type and more interesting. Likable comes with the choice of an actor (hint: recast the one voicing Necromancer - he's good enough for voice but not for face of the movie).

This is just a what-if anyway. Won't happen due to copyright reasons.

"RadagaStoner deserves no mercy!" Tauriel the Radagast Slayer, the Chief of Inglorious Elfguards

Tauriel saved us from Itaril. Never forget.



Otaku-sempai
Half-elven


Aug 26 2013, 11:59am

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Recast? I would think that B. Cumberbatch is perfect [In reply to] Can't Post

To my mind, Cumberbatch would be a perfectly fine Annatar. I am sure that the actor could carry the films; I just don't think that Sauron, as a character, can do so. However, I may be underestimating the appeal of Sauron as Annatar.

'There are older and fouler things than Orcs in the deep places of the world.' - Gandalf the Grey, The Fellowship of the Ring


Semper Fi
Rohan


Aug 26 2013, 1:09pm

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The actor's ugly and creepy while Annatar is classic handsome [In reply to] Can't Post

Plus, he would be well in his 40s by the time the movie goes into production. Sorry but I don't get the hype. Creepy voice, hammy acting and lizard face. Not Annatar.

You are underestimating Anntar appeal. Tolkien deliberately didn't want to flesh him out, because he didn't want him to become popular like Milton's charming Satan in Paradise Lost. But he would be fleshed out in the movies.

"RadagaStoner deserves no mercy!" Tauriel the Radagast Slayer, the Chief of Inglorious Elfguards

Tauriel saved us from Itaril. Never forget.



(This post was edited by Semper Fi on Aug 26 2013, 1:11pm)


Otaku-sempai
Half-elven


Aug 26 2013, 1:12pm

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That is, of course, your personal opinion [In reply to] Can't Post

Others do not share your opinion on B.C.'s appearance.

'There are older and fouler things than Orcs in the deep places of the world.' - Gandalf the Grey, The Fellowship of the Ring


Semper Fi
Rohan


Aug 26 2013, 2:47pm

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And many others don't share yours [In reply to] Can't Post

We can go on like this in circles forever.

besides, they won't make these movies with or without him so it's pointless to stretch the debate.

"RadagaStoner deserves no mercy!" Tauriel the Radagast Slayer, the Chief of Inglorious Elfguards

Tauriel saved us from Itaril. Never forget.



CuriousG
Valinor


Aug 26 2013, 5:48pm

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I personally would enjoy it [In reply to] Can't Post

as a Tolkien book fan. Do you think the Sauron movies would have wide appeal to movie-only fans who wouldn't know all the backstory and consider Sauron just a big, scary bad guy who has to be killed? He doesn't seem to project any personality in the movie that makes people want to know more about him. (Or really, in the books either. I had to come across his backstory by accident without looking for it, then got interested him as more than The Big Bad.)

Not criticizing your idea at all, just thinking aloud about whether the movie audience would be big enough for a film company to pursue it?


Arannir
Valinor


Aug 27 2013, 7:45pm

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Generally interesting idea... [In reply to] Can't Post

... but I'd rather have my "The Children of Hurin" movie :)



ďA dragon is no idle fancy. Whatever may be his origins, in fact or invention, the dragon in legend is a potent creation of menís imagination, richer in significance than his barrow is in gold.Ē J.R.R. Tolkien

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