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elostirion74
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Aug 26 2013, 6:59pm


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It's not difficult to understand or surprising to me that so many people want more details or a closer perspective. But the main purpose of this chapter is to tell the main features of Eärendil and Elwing's story and to wrap up several other story strands, like the fate of the Silmarils, the war against Morgoth and what becomes of the sons of Fëanor and their oath. To be able do this I think it's important to avoid introducing too much complexity. Also several parts of the story seems to be told from the perspective of people who don't take part in or witness the events, but have heard them from other sources. Therefore they seem to have focused on the most essential points of each separate story strand. I actually find that this kind of storytelling creates a valuable distance which makes it feel more mythic. Tuor's story is different, it's a more limited and cohesive story which lends itself better to expansion.

If you compare the war of wrath with the description of the battles of Beleriand, I think it's quite clear that the battle of for instance Nirnaeth Arnoediad is described in greater detail, because it contains several significant elements that are crucial for later stories and events, like Húrin and Huors and their people's valiant stand to cover Turgon's retreat, the treachery of Uldor and his sons, the fall of the High King of the Noldor, the cruel act that leads to Gwindor son of Guilin making a premature attack on the forces of Morgoth. Since the war of Wrath covers the end of the Simarillion it's much less likely to contain these kind of events, and considering the tremendous scale and the terrible consequences of the war, I'm actually fine that it doesn't go more into detail. The only extra detail I think would have been useful is learning how the people not taking part in the war react to it, for instance who decides to escape to other parts of Middle Earth and how do they go about it, and who decides to stay.

The attack on the havens of Sirion could have been expanded, especially as far as Maedhros and Maglor's relation to Elrond and Elros is concerned. But that is actually the only part of the chapter where I'm inclined to miss detail. Of course one could imagine Eärendil's voyage as a mini-story, but it depends what you're interested in and what captures your imagination. I just happen to be more interested in what it resulted in and the power of the images they have chosen to sum up the main points of the story than the details of the voyage in itself.

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Silmarillion discussion: Of the Voyage of Earendil and the War of Wrath Ardamírë Send a private message to Ardamírë Aug 13 2013, 10:57pm
    Of the Voyage of Earendil Ardamírë Send a private message to Ardamírë Aug 13 2013, 11:00pm
        The silmarils as a blessing, and as a passport to Valinor noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Aug 14 2013, 10:46am
            dior and the silmaril Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Aug 14 2013, 11:23am
                The fated messenger at the fated time noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Aug 14 2013, 12:21pm
                    On fate, with special attention to the actions of Valar. Rembrethil Send a private message to Rembrethil Aug 14 2013, 7:51pm
                I think Ardamírë Send a private message to Ardamírë Aug 14 2013, 2:12pm
                    That makes sense - though on another level it doesn't noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Aug 14 2013, 2:32pm
            The power of the Silmarils Rembrethil Send a private message to Rembrethil Aug 14 2013, 7:22pm
        Earendil's relationships... noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Aug 14 2013, 10:56am
            Did Earendil have a choice? Ardamírë Send a private message to Ardamírë Aug 14 2013, 2:26pm
                Maybe it's a neat solution… noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Aug 14 2013, 4:05pm
                Earendil's "choice" CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Aug 26 2013, 4:11pm
            Dysfunctional relationships Rembrethil Send a private message to Rembrethil Aug 14 2013, 7:36pm
                Or, maybe "functional but unconventional"? noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Aug 14 2013, 7:49pm
                    Too true. Rembrethil Send a private message to Rembrethil Aug 14 2013, 8:07pm
        The unforgiving Teleri Hamfast Gamgee Send a private message to Hamfast Gamgee Aug 14 2013, 10:57pm
            Grudges Ardamírë Send a private message to Ardamírë Aug 17 2013, 9:28pm
        Great questions on the Voyage - some answers! Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Aug 15 2013, 12:35am
            Regarding Elrond and Elros Ardamírë Send a private message to Ardamírë Aug 24 2013, 4:12pm
                Bitter choices Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Aug 24 2013, 5:06pm
                    Very interesting Ardamírë Send a private message to Ardamírë Aug 24 2013, 5:33pm
                        I think she did make the right choice - and not an easy one either...! Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Aug 24 2013, 5:56pm
                            True love Ardamírë Send a private message to Ardamírë Aug 24 2013, 7:45pm
                Yes, troubling CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Aug 26 2013, 4:32pm
                    Parallel to Elured & Elurin Ardamírë Send a private message to Ardamírë Aug 26 2013, 7:56pm
                        Kudos for Elwing CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Aug 26 2013, 8:09pm
                            Maybe she'd have been more bitter Ardamírë Send a private message to Ardamírë Aug 26 2013, 8:16pm
                                True, but CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Aug 26 2013, 8:36pm
        Answers sador Send a private message to sador Aug 15 2013, 2:38pm
            Answers to your answers Ardamírë Send a private message to Ardamírë Aug 24 2013, 4:32pm
                Regarding the Elessar sador Send a private message to sador Aug 26 2013, 2:36pm
                    Debatable, indeed! :-) Voronwë_the_Faithful Send a private message to Voronwë_the_Faithful Aug 26 2013, 3:03pm
                        Thanks for clarifying! sador Send a private message to sador Aug 26 2013, 3:31pm
                            Fascinating creative process! Voronwë_the_Faithful Send a private message to Voronwë_the_Faithful Aug 26 2013, 4:25pm
                                Yes, indeed sador Send a private message to sador Aug 27 2013, 4:18pm
                                    I don't believe so Voronwë_the_Faithful Send a private message to Voronwë_the_Faithful Aug 27 2013, 5:56pm
                    I prefer Enerdhil Ardamírë Send a private message to Ardamírë Aug 26 2013, 7:45pm
                        The "demotion" of Celebrimbor sador Send a private message to sador Aug 27 2013, 5:26pm
                            The Narn needed to be included Voronwë_the_Faithful Send a private message to Voronwë_the_Faithful Aug 27 2013, 5:50pm
                    Celebrimbor Elthir Send a private message to Elthir Aug 27 2013, 12:01am
                        Both excellent points. sador Send a private message to sador Aug 27 2013, 5:49pm
        Mother-names Elthir Send a private message to Elthir Aug 16 2013, 3:54pm
            The Problem of Ros Ardamírë Send a private message to Ardamírë Aug 24 2013, 4:50pm
                loan words Elthir Send a private message to Elthir Aug 25 2013, 4:50am
                    My problem with scrapping it all Ardamírë Send a private message to Ardamírë Aug 26 2013, 7:30pm
        the silmaril coming into the west elostirion74 Send a private message to elostirion74 Aug 16 2013, 5:21pm
            You add great insights! Ardamírë Send a private message to Ardamírë Aug 24 2013, 4:53pm
    and the War of Wrath Ardamírë Send a private message to Ardamírë Aug 13 2013, 11:01pm
        Ancalagon! noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Aug 14 2013, 10:58am
            Ancalagon Ardamírë Send a private message to Ardamírë Aug 17 2013, 8:14pm
            I'm interested as to the type of battle Rembrethil Send a private message to Rembrethil Aug 17 2013, 8:57pm
                earendil and ancalagon Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Aug 23 2013, 4:08am
                    Manueverability gradient Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Aug 23 2013, 2:31pm
                        ok, i've come up with something that works (for +me+) Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Aug 23 2013, 4:58pm
                            Completely as a side note... Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Aug 24 2013, 3:10am
        The Oath and its cancellation, and the final fate of the silmarils noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Aug 14 2013, 11:11am
        During the war, Beleriand gets flooded. Where does the rest of the story take place? noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Aug 14 2013, 11:16am
            the sinking of Beleriand, the short answer Elthir Send a private message to Elthir Aug 15 2013, 1:50pm
                Agreed Elthir Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Aug 15 2013, 3:54pm
                    confusing waters Elthir Send a private message to Elthir Aug 16 2013, 11:50am
                        Thanks for all this Elthir! Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Aug 16 2013, 8:00pm
        Observation of the War of Wrath Rembrethil Send a private message to Rembrethil Aug 14 2013, 8:27pm
            Maedhros Elthir Send a private message to Elthir Aug 15 2013, 1:23pm
                My UUT Rembrethil Send a private message to Rembrethil Aug 15 2013, 9:56pm
            Maedhros Ardamírë Send a private message to Ardamírë Aug 17 2013, 9:26pm
        a few answers elostirion74 Send a private message to elostirion74 Aug 16 2013, 3:04pm
        Late answers sador Send a private message to sador Aug 18 2013, 5:44pm
            More answers Ardamírë Send a private message to Ardamírë Aug 24 2013, 5:02pm
    I vote "climactic letdown" noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Aug 14 2013, 11:19am
        I have to agree Ardamírë Send a private message to Ardamírë Aug 14 2013, 2:18pm
            I don't know much about the source material... Riven Delve Send a private message to Riven Delve Aug 14 2013, 11:49pm
                Some textual notes Ardamírë Send a private message to Ardamírë Aug 17 2013, 9:54pm
    Wish it was more detailed! Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Aug 14 2013, 11:41pm
        long prose version Elthir Send a private message to Elthir Aug 15 2013, 1:43pm
        What parts of the story would you prefer to see expanded?NT elostirion74 Send a private message to elostirion74 Aug 16 2013, 4:47pm
            Expanded interactions I think would be nice Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Aug 16 2013, 7:48pm
                simplicity one of the strong points of the story elostirion74 Send a private message to elostirion74 Aug 19 2013, 12:59pm
                    Expansion points Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Aug 21 2013, 2:03am
                    Voyage of Earendil Meneldor Send a private message to Meneldor Aug 21 2013, 4:31am
                        Or we could have a Muppets mash-up..."Ellllllves....in...spaaaaace!" // Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Aug 23 2013, 2:25pm
                        Great thought! Ardamírë Send a private message to Ardamírë Aug 24 2013, 4:54pm
        Totally agreed, Brethil Ardamírë Send a private message to Ardamírë Aug 17 2013, 9:32pm
            A lovely hope! Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Aug 17 2013, 10:45pm
                HP, Star Wars arithmancer Send a private message to arithmancer Aug 17 2013, 11:09pm
                    Thanks Arithmancer ! Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Aug 17 2013, 11:20pm
                        Could the Silmarilion ever have been finished? noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Aug 18 2013, 8:11am
                            I wonder too Furincurunir... Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Aug 23 2013, 1:58am
    Actually I'm very satisfied with the shape and structure of this chapter as it is elostirion74 Send a private message to elostirion74 Aug 15 2013, 3:05pm
        Interesting! Ardamírë Send a private message to Ardamírë Aug 24 2013, 4:37pm
            some answers elostirion74 Send a private message to elostirion74 Aug 26 2013, 6:59pm
                Mythic quality Ardamírë Send a private message to Ardamírë Aug 26 2013, 8:03pm
    I'm curious as to what Voronwe's book Ethel Duath Send a private message to Ethel Duath Aug 15 2013, 10:32pm
        Unfortunately, there's not much source material Ardamírë Send a private message to Ardamírë Aug 24 2013, 4:45pm
            Ah, I see. There's never enough time for something of Ethel Duath Send a private message to Ethel Duath Aug 24 2013, 4:49pm
                It's also interesting Ardamírë Send a private message to Ardamírë Aug 24 2013, 5:04pm
                    That's interesting-- Ethel Duath Send a private message to Ethel Duath Aug 24 2013, 5:34pm
                        That could very well be Ardamírë Send a private message to Ardamírë Aug 24 2013, 7:42pm
    Quick answer CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Aug 26 2013, 4:07pm
        Agreed Ardamírë Send a private message to Ardamírë Aug 26 2013, 7:49pm

 
 
 

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