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What ever happened to making the book come to life?
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Rembrethil
Tol Eressea


Aug 14 2013, 9:09pm

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*hands popcorn over* [In reply to] Can't Post

I just meant that if we are getting together to watch one, and the popular vote goes to a movie that I don't care for *cough* Pride and Prejudice(as guys, we were outnumbered)*cough*, I still have some great friends that make the time fun. They're just that awesome!

We will make fun of the movie, have playful banter, and get into ridiculous arguments over hairstyles and other ridiculous topics. For me it's a social time. Unless we are at a hardcore fan convention, I'm the guy that heckles everybody!

I'm just that fun!


Ziggy Stardust
Gondor


Aug 15 2013, 1:00am

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Well said, jtarkey [In reply to] Can't Post

First, I just want to say, that I enjoyed The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey, but not as much as The Lord of the Rings trilogy. The trilogy was true art to me. There were deviations, yet Jackson stuck to the material. The designs, the costumes, all were very well done.
In The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey, the only mistakes they made was making Azog the main villain (he was dead, if they had to have a villain, it should have been Bolg) the bird dung in Radagast's hair, the and the design of the Goblin King. (That scrotum beard was just wrong.) Otherwise, I think they did okay. I've always been curious about Dol Guldor and the White Council, so I was fine with that addition. I thought the actors were well-picked, and most of the characters actually looked the way I pictured, only Kili had yellow hair and a beard, and Thorin's beard was longer, and he had no braids. However, the execution and adaptation could have been better.
I really want to love The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug, but a few things have tipped my iceberg: the inclusion of Tauriel, the inclusion of Alfrid (whose supposed to appear later, but I still don't like the idea of him), Legolas having a larger role. (As much as I love Legolas, this is supposed to be Thranduil's time to shine. I'm really looking forward to him.) I have not seen Beorn's picture, so I can't comment on him. From what I've been hearing, I'm really worried about how it will do, and if I will love it. (Like I said, I really want to love it, but I can't help but fear that I won't, after what I've been hearing.)
Thanks for sharing jtarkey. You made a very civilized and well-thought out post.


Ziggy Stardust
Gondor


Aug 15 2013, 1:12am

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Right on Elwen [In reply to] Can't Post

that's how I feel. Although I already described my tipping, whereas you said you haven't tipped yet. But that's how I feel.


Ziggy Stardust
Gondor


Aug 15 2013, 1:37am

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Art [In reply to] Can't Post

Give me art anyday. I'm an artist, a musician to be precise, and I value it over hoarded cash/gold anyday.


MouthofSauron
Tol Eressea


Aug 15 2013, 3:31am

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Yes, i understand your point [In reply to] Can't Post

your point is flawed because yes the Transformers trilogy made lots of money at the box office like LOTR's but unlike LOTR's none of those films won best director or best picture. Your point is that just because a film or films make a bunch of money doesn't mean they are good films, well take best director and best picture and put it in your pipe and smoke it.


take me down to the woodland realm where the trees are green and the elf women are pretty....Oh will you please take me home!!

(This post was edited by MouthofSauron on Aug 15 2013, 3:32am)


Captain Salt
Tol Eressea


Aug 15 2013, 4:15am

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The Hobbit and Lord of the Rings are two very different beasts... [In reply to] Can't Post

We were discussing The Hobbit - I don't understand why Oscar wins for LotR effect the topic at hand (and in fact they illustrate the disparity between the two, if were going by awards/award nominations).

Also, on a side point, just because a film won awards does not necessarily mean that was was appraised as a creative success by any and all who went to it.

My Top 5 Wish List for "The Hobbit"
5. Legolas will surf down Smaug's neck
4. Bilbo will be revealed to a Robot
3. Naked PJ cameo as Ghan-Buri-Ghan
2. Use of not only 3D, but smell-o-vision, plus the inclusion of axes coming out of the seats and poking the audience when appropriate
1. Not only keep the claim that Thorin & Co. ran amok in Mirkwood "molesting people", but depict said incident in vivid detail!!!!!


Altaira
Superuser / Moderator


Aug 15 2013, 4:20am

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Subthread of personal comments deleted [In reply to] Can't Post

Both people involved were at fault. Really, if you find yourself about to post personal comments about someone else, please move on. The correct response if you think someone has made a insulting personal comment to you is NOT to reply in turn. PM and Admin and move on.


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MouthofSauron
Tol Eressea


Aug 15 2013, 6:17am

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seems that no matter what... [In reply to] Can't Post

no matter how many awards or how financially successful Peter Jackson has been in turning Tolkien's stories into films he can't please some people, yet many will flock to DOS when it comes out. -Peter Jackson and New Line will be laughing all the way to the bank while reading angry rants on how horrible DOS is.

"Also, on a side point, just because a film won awards does not necessarily mean that was was appraised as a creative success by any and all who went to it."

Seriously? yeah...why have the academy awards which awards the actual creative process...


take me down to the woodland realm where the trees are green and the elf women are pretty....Oh will you please take me home!!

(This post was edited by entmaiden on Aug 15 2013, 3:30pm)


Yngwulff
Gondor


Aug 15 2013, 6:25am

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I hope [In reply to] Can't Post

That a plausible reason for having Azog surviving the Battle Annuzulzibar to be the villain in AUJ makes iteself apparent in DOS.

Most of the major parts of the stoey were there so far, it just seemed like a lot of the book was skipped because of the stretch to 3 films.

I am for the White Council/Dol Guldur subplot as well. It should prove quite interesting.

“I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.”



Eleniel
Tol Eressea


Aug 15 2013, 6:43am

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It seems bizarre... [In reply to] Can't Post

that my comment about those that have positive views as opposed to those that view TH less favourably drew reprimand whilst posters who persist in aggressively labelling others with differing views to their own as "Haters" are ignored.

That is surely more devisive...


"Choosing Trust over Doubt gets me burned once in a while, but I'd rather be singed than hardened."
¯ Victoria Monfort


(This post was edited by Eleniel on Aug 15 2013, 6:49am)


Leebert
Registered User

Aug 15 2013, 7:54am

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A Newbie [In reply to] Can't Post

I am relatively new to the world of Tolkien and this is in fact my first ever post on TOR forums so hi to everyone!

I first read the books about three years ago and have read them once a year since then. Discovering Tolkien has been a wonderful experience and I have jumped into Middle Earth with passion, reading and watching as much as I possibly can. I'm currently working my way through the complete history of Middle Earth, trying to learn and absorb as much as possible. I suspect it may take me years before I know enough to hold an in depth conversation but I'm loving every minute of the journey. That said, my gateway into this world was Peter Jackson's movies. It was his vision of Middle Earth that was the spring board for everything that followed for me and even though his movies (The Hobbit included) are not a wholly faithful adaptation, I still hold them in high regard. It does not bother me in the slightest that he chose to deviate from the books, for me the spirit of Tolkien is present in every scene and for a book of that scope that is no mean feat! I take my hat off to him for making movies that are clearly made with passion and respect for the source material but that still have enough crossover appeal to justify the huge amounts of money the studio were willing to invest to get these 'unfilmable' films to the screen. It was a mammoth task and I think he pulled it off spectacularly. Obviously with any book to screen adaptation, there are problems. Every reader has his it her owns views on how certain things should be or play out so no matter what choices were made, someone was always going to be disappointed. In the end I chose not to be one of those people. Reading the books after seeing the movies first I was truthfully expecting to be annoyed or confused as to why the filmmakers didn't stick more closely at all. In fact it was the opposite. I enjoyed seeing the differences, the character alterations and the things that were removed entirely. It gave me so much more to think about other than the story I was reading. There were certainly moments where I thought 'Oh I would have loved to have seen that' or 'I wonder why they changed that' but it didn't offend me. It just made me want to look into things more which can only be a good thing.

I know this is probably a bit long winded for a first post but I'm hoping I've made my point. For me personally, TLOTR and TH movies are to be enjoyed along side the books, not in place of them and I will continue to enjoy both of them in the years to come.


(This post was edited by Leebert on Aug 15 2013, 8:01am)


Starling
Half-elven


Aug 15 2013, 8:02am

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Welcome, Leebert [In reply to] Can't Post

I am glad to see you have stepped out from behind the curtain of lurkdom. Cool
And I don't think your post is too long, or rambling. It made perfect sense to me. I liked what you said about the movies being there to be enjoyed alongside the books. I am sure you will find plenty of people here who share that view.
I hope you will stick around, explore the different forums here at TORn, and find out what a great place this is to hang out.


Cul
The Shire


Aug 15 2013, 8:15am

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What can one do... [In reply to] Can't Post

It's the internet, unpopular opinion isn't successful opinion here. ;)


Leebert
Registered User

Aug 15 2013, 8:18am

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Thank you [In reply to] Can't Post


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I am glad to see you have stepped out from behind the curtain of lurkdom. Cool
And I don't think your post is too long, or rambling. It made perfect sense to me. I liked what you said about the movies being there to be enjoyed alongside the books. I am sure you will find plenty of people here who share that view.
I hope you will stick around, explore the different forums here at TORn, and find out what a great place this is to hang out.



Thank you for the lovely welcome! I'm looking foward to getting stuck in. I love the fact that this seems to be a community were all opinions are welcomed and respected. That's a rarity these days. Long may it continue. Cool


AinurOlorin
Half-elven


Aug 15 2013, 8:53am

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Aww, heck no! lol [In reply to] Can't Post

Did you see The Great and Incomparable Queen of Dragons, Savvy and Sexy, Daenerys Stormborn, this season? Astapor??/ Season II was a great bore by comparison. See also, Diana Rigg and Tywin Lannister, Tyrion and Tywin. . . This season was astounding. Now.. . Back to our anxieties regarding Dol Guldur.

In Reply To
who says season 2 was better than 3?


"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!"

"Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."

(This post was edited by entmaiden on Aug 15 2013, 3:38pm)


Eleniel
Tol Eressea


Aug 15 2013, 9:09am

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Very little, of course... [In reply to] Can't Post

As in most walks of life, the majority of us here try to get along and ignore the extremists!

Welcome to the Boards, btw. Smile


"Choosing Trust over Doubt gets me burned once in a while, but I'd rather be singed than hardened."
¯ Victoria Monfort


Elessar
Valinor


Aug 15 2013, 12:12pm

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Welcome :-) [In reply to] Can't Post

I'm with ya I feel like the spirit of Tolkien comes through in almost every scene. Thanks for joining and welcome once again. Cool



Darkstone
Immortal


Aug 15 2013, 1:53pm

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Arrgh!...baby...angels...crying...must...type...using...ellipses... [In reply to] Can't Post

All those factors and more are indeed adjusted for by economists whenever they need to compare financial data from different years. (Which happens all the time. That's the nature of economics.) Ever see those humongous equations they use? They're almost as bad as those wave functions in quantum mechanics, except of course economists are not crazy enough to factor in the square root of negative one! Woof!

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Once Gandalf dreamt he was a moth, a moth flitting and fluttering around, happy with himself and doing as he pleased. He didn't know he was Gandalf. Suddenly he woke up and there he was, solid and unmistakably Gandalf. But he didn't know if he was Gandalf who had dreamt he was a moth, or a moth dreaming he was Gandalf. Between Gandalf and a moth there must be some distinction! But really, there isn't, because he's actually Olórin dreaming he's both Gandalf *and* a moth!
-From Gandalfi: The Moth Dream


Darkstone
Immortal


Aug 15 2013, 1:56pm

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Nope. [In reply to] Can't Post

While occasionally an Academy Award is indeed awarded to make up for a previous year’s slight, or even just out of pity, that in no way explains an eleven category sweep.

Besides, if any film got the short end of the Oscar stick in 2002 it was Amélie.

BTW, it’s generally felt by many Academy watchers that the Best Cinematography award to Andrew Lesnie for FOTR was given more to “spread the wealth around” rather than from any especial merit. So from that standpoint the Academy actually awarded FOTR more Oscars than it deserved!

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Once Gandalf dreamt he was a moth, a moth flitting and fluttering around, happy with himself and doing as he pleased. He didn't know he was Gandalf. Suddenly he woke up and there he was, solid and unmistakably Gandalf. But he didn't know if he was Gandalf who had dreamt he was a moth, or a moth dreaming he was Gandalf. Between Gandalf and a moth there must be some distinction! But really, there isn't, because he's actually Olórin dreaming he's both Gandalf *and* a moth!
-From Gandalfi: The Moth Dream


DwellerInDale
Rohan


Aug 15 2013, 2:19pm

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Not so fast, Darkstone... [In reply to] Can't Post

Economists model cycles, so they often use Fourier analysis and other nasty things that contain imaginary numbers! Wink


Don't mess with my favorite female elf.




hutch
Rohan


Aug 15 2013, 2:28pm

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Oh. The problem is that there ARE too many cooks in the kitchen. [In reply to] Can't Post

I use the monicker 'PJ' not just for Peter Jackson but for the whole decision making team. Some of the these flops of ideas aren't all Peter Jackson's. There's a big difference in the sensibility and decision making (especially in terms of story telling) between pre-LOTR Peter Jackson and post-LOTR. You can look to the decision making about 'King Kong' as an example. Some of what happened there I don't think would've happened if it was the old team.

Save the Texas Prairie Chicken.

(This post was edited by hutch on Aug 15 2013, 2:29pm)


hutch
Rohan


Aug 15 2013, 2:32pm

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I've noticed too [In reply to] Can't Post

This almost aggressive need to see the new trilogy as flawless and equal to LOTR and the shouting down and mis-categorizing of any dissenting voices is strange...

Save the Texas Prairie Chicken.


hutch
Rohan


Aug 15 2013, 2:38pm

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My tipping points? [In reply to] Can't Post

1. RECYCLED MUSIC! (I feel sorry for Howard Shore)
2. Targeting demographics instead of just letting the story be.
3. A Thorin created for GC covers rather than to fit into this suite of films.
4. Expansion of non-Tolkien characters, but no 'Hunt for Gollum'? Boooo!

All I can say is thank god for Ian McKellen. I'm still glad that the trilogy is happening though. Overall, the phenomenon is quite a positive one. An excuse to bring the fun and people together again.

Save the Texas Prairie Chicken.


Darkstone
Immortal


Aug 15 2013, 2:43pm

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So they *are* crazy enough! [In reply to] Can't Post

Thanks for the correction!Smile

DwellerInDale ----- 2
Darkstone --------- i

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Once Gandalf dreamt he was a moth, a moth flitting and fluttering around, happy with himself and doing as he pleased. He didn't know he was Gandalf. Suddenly he woke up and there he was, solid and unmistakably Gandalf. But he didn't know if he was Gandalf who had dreamt he was a moth, or a moth dreaming he was Gandalf. Between Gandalf and a moth there must be some distinction! But really, there isn't, because he's actually Olórin dreaming he's both Gandalf *and* a moth!
-From Gandalfi: The Moth Dream


hutch
Rohan


Aug 15 2013, 2:46pm

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I COMPLETELY disagree [In reply to] Can't Post

People nowadays are just too used to the tried and true character types and relationships of 90-minute modern Hollywood films.

The way Tolkien wrote characters and relationship is MATURE. Go back read older books and look at older films: characters' action don't fit neatly into the modern paradigm that everyone is so used to nowadays. Characters were complex, unique, and not always "likable". They had different perspectives and not always comfortable ones.

I'm so annoyed at this level or rote storytelling nowadays. Just the idea that "Thorin needs to be more sympathetic in order to get audiences to 'connect'" is demographic screenwriting 101. Does not challenge the audience in any way, shape or form to think about differences in characters, motives, or actions....UGH!!!!!

Save the Texas Prairie Chicken.

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