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Lothwen
Rivendell
Aug 8 2013, 11:16am
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Gollum vs Hamlet
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Which is better at arguing with himself, and/or does it more? 
Followed by that awkwarder moment when you realize that you think this is awesome...
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Rembrethil
Tol Eressea
Aug 8 2013, 2:57pm
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If it comes down to sheer length of time.
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Gollum.
He's had the Ring for HOW long?
Oh, and if you think different......
*Smeagol voice*
"Not listeningggg!"
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Ziggy Stardust
Gondor
Aug 9 2013, 12:48am
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Gollum talks to himself an awful lot.
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And even answers himself.  He's had the Ring for a long time. I gotta go with Gollum.
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Radagast-Aiwendil
Gondor
Aug 9 2013, 4:06pm
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Thing is, Gollum was a nice enough hobbit before the ring brought it's influence upon him, Hamlet had his problems without the intervention of the Ring, so if Hamlet were to possess the Ring I think he would probably become madder than Gollum and would hence be better at arguing with himself.
LotR's Gollum (i.e. Gollum without the Ring) would beat Hamlet but if Hamlet gets the Ring...Gollum loses.
"All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us."-Gandalf
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Elwen
Lorien
Aug 9 2013, 4:21pm
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Methinks we likes this one my precious. No we don't. Yes we do........let's ask Yorik.
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I think this one goes to Gollum.
Tauriel: So let me get this straight sir, this Elwen girl is back on something called TORn, and rather than just tell her to stop stalking you, you'd like me to show up in a movie I have no business being in in a ploy to distract her, and nevermind the wrath of countless Tolkien fans who will be calling for my destruction?
Legolas: That about sums it up. Besides, some people might like you. Oh, and to be on the safe side, can we pretend to be a couple too?
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Lothwen
Rivendell
Aug 12 2013, 11:14am
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Pretty much everyone has gone for Gollum...I had thought Hamlet was better; let's face it, he does have a better vocabulary. Very interesting- still, I was possibly biased towards Hamlet; he might have won a "who has the best arguing style" competition. 
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Rembrethil
Tol Eressea
Aug 12 2013, 12:20pm
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A 5y/o might be able to carry on longer or over the most amount of things, but you wouldn't see them winning any debate society awards.
Quantity over quality.
Let us assume that Gollum would be less in style but greater in force/passion like a 5y/o, and Hamlet, more dramatic and tragic, articulating his argument, and coming to a real, rational decision. I didn't see Gollum resolving anything.
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Darkstone
Immortal
Aug 12 2013, 5:18pm
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Sorry, Professor, but Hamlet's Seven Soliloquies are exquisite studies in the nature of Man's existence, evolving in sensibility from “O that this too sullied flesh would melt” to “O all you host of heaven” to “O what a rogue and peasant slave am I!” to “To be, or not to be, that is the question” to “Tis now the very witching time of night” to “And so ‘a goes to heaven” to finally “'How all occasions do inform against me.”
Compare any of The Seven to:
"Fissh, nice fissh. White Face has vanished, my precious, at last yes. Now we can eat in peace. No, not in peace, precious. For precious is lost; yes. Dirty hobbits, nasty hobbits. Gone and left us, gollum; and Precious is gone. Only poor Sméagol all alone. No Precious. Nasty Men, they'll take it, they'll steal my Precious. Thieves. We hates them. Fissh, nice fissh."
Um, okay....
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The audacious proposal stirred his heart. And the stirring became a song, and it mingled with the songs of Gil-galad and Celebrian, and with those of Feanor and Fingon. The song-weaving created a larger song, and then another, until suddenly it was as if a long forgotten memory woke and for one breathtaking moment the Music of the Ainur revealed itself in all glory. He opened his lips to sing and share this song. Then he realized that the others would not understand. Not even Mithrandir given his current state of mind. So he smiled and simply said "A diversion.”
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AnneDonahue
The Shire
Aug 13 2013, 11:19pm
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His self-arguing is much more amusing. And was actually effective, unlike Hamlet who just argued then paused, then argued more, then killed the wrong guy, then had his friends... well, "friends" killed then came back from England...all while arguing MORE and then finally died... while arguing. 
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Nunilo
Bree
Sep 6 2013, 1:25pm
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'Gollum' would eventually persuade 'Smeagol' to reach some sort of conclusion or decision, but Hamlet's self-arguments would probably drag on for much longer.
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Annael
Immortal
Dec 31 2014, 9:16pm
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Since evidence can be adduced and interpreted to corroborate a virtually limitless array of world views, the human challenge is to engage that world view or set of perspectives which brings forth the most valuable, life-enhancing consequences.
- Richard Tarnas, The Passion of the Western Mind
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