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Major 'Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug' spoilers revealed by German magazine 'cinema' - SPOILERS!
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News from Bree
spymaster@theonering.net

Aug 7 2013, 9:16pm

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Major 'Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug' spoilers revealed by German magazine 'cinema' - SPOILERS! Can't Post

German cinema magazine.[/caption]German Magazine Cinema, has published a pretty fascinating article all about the second Hobbit movie, "The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug," dropping casual spoilers as if they are common knowledge. What is a little odd is that the magazine doesn't make clear where it gets quotes from Peter Jackson or Evangeline Lily or Orlando Bloom and it sure doesn't make clear where all the spoilerific plot information comes from. We can't vouch for the accuracy of the quotes.

Friends at thorinoakenshield.net have a full online translation of the print publication and since we aren't German speakers, we can't say if anything is lost in translation, but it reads pretty clearly.

Here are some highlights but if you read beyond this point, expect full-on potential spoilers! (We can't say if they are true or not, but the writer surely dishes the info matter-of-factly.)

Seriously, last chance, major potential spoilers!

"A greedy dragon, a rather testy skinchanger, a river ride full of action and the battle of the White Council against the Necromancer of Dol Guldur: Middle-earth fans should be prepared for something big; because with “The Hobbit – Desolation of Smaug” (starting December 12th) Peter Jackson will (once again) show all he's got."

"A lot of the appendices will also be used in part 2."

"Hardcore fans will find the revelation of the Necromancer (Benedict Cumberbatch as CGI shadow) as witch master Sauron just in a couple of sentences in the book. And according to Tolkien the pale orc Azog doesn’t survive the Battle of Azanulbizar (in the beginning of "The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey"), while Jackson definitively turns him into Thorin Oakenshield’s arch enemy now. Orcs invading Esgaroth on the other hand was completely invented by Peter Jackson. Just like Tauriel – this young, only 300 years old elf which will add a bit of femininity to the male dominated story."

"This story needs estrogen", Evangeline Lilly jokes. And Peter Jackson adds: “Thanks to characters like Tauriel we will discover more about the life in Mirkwood, which is completely different from Rivendell. But the Silvan pointy-eared beauty is not supposed to be a mere copy of Arwen from the old trilogy. After all the people of the wood elves is a lot more dangerous and suspicious than Elrond and his companions. "We are like ninjas from the undergrowth. (Lilly)"

"Peter Jackson not only uses additions like this to narrate a coherent chronicle of Middle-earth, he also uses them to sprinkle a little treat for spare time hobbits here and there. For example fanboys will anticipate the first encounter of Legolas and Gloin, father of grumpy dwarf Gimli from the “Rings” films. Other than “An unexpected Journey” the sequel is going to be distinctly darker though, stresses Jackson.

"One climax of the new trilogy, which over 2000 actors and extras worked on, is the death of the dragon. Whether Smaug's fall will end part 2 however is yet unknown. Certain is that the Battle of the Five Armies will play the center role in "The Hobbit: There and Back Again".

Those are the highlights and you can read the full translation right here, from ThorinOakenshield.net along with scans of the magazine's pages while the German publication can be found online here, but we didn't find a link directly to the article.

(This post was edited by Altaira on Aug 8 2013, 4:05am)


Lieutenant of Dol Guldur
Gondor


Aug 8 2013, 8:55am

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I'd like to add (SPOILERS) [In reply to] Can't Post

"Not only will the valiant company with 13 dwarves and hobbit Bilbo Baggins meet giant talking spiders in psychedelically colourful Mirkwood [..]"

"And the clumsy attempts of dwarf Kili towards elf Tauriel provide material for discussions."

"The Hobbit An Unexpected Journey extended cut: Probably in November there will be released a longer version of the 166 minutes theatre film . Within there are more scenes from Hobbiton, e.g. a sequence in which well see Bilbos mother Belladonna Took, a song from the Goblin King and a lengthy prologue, which will show new aspects of Smaugs destruction of Dale. Further there will be more reasons for the antipathy between Thranduil and the dwarves (Arkenstone!) and the hostility of the little warriors towards the elves of Rivendell will reach a new dimension."


"There is only one Lord of the Ring, only one who can bend it to his will. And he does not share power."


jtarkey
Rohan


Aug 8 2013, 8:59am

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So if the battle at Dol Guldur is in DOS... [In reply to] Can't Post

I would say Smaug won't meet his demise until TABA. I'm guessing the climax of DOS will be split between the Dol Guldur battle and a PJ creation of the dwarves vs. Smaug.

"You're love of the halflings leaf has clearly slowed your mind"

(This post was edited by jtarkey on Aug 8 2013, 9:00am)


AshNazg
Gondor


Aug 8 2013, 11:25am

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I'm actually a little hesitant about watching the second film. [In reply to] Can't Post

From the look of the Legolas, Tauriel, Kili love triangle and knowing there will be more Radagast. It seems like some of these scenes are going to be really painful to endure.


malickfan
Gondor


Aug 8 2013, 11:41am

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None of that is really surprising [In reply to] Can't Post

But if Smaug and Dol Goldur is in film 2, what's for film 3 a 2 hour BOFA or 45 minutes of Gandalf and Bilbo walking home?

Thank god for these leaks, if I din't know about Azog or Tauriel before hand I'd probably have a heart attack in the cinema...

I'll say it again my biggest problem with these films is that they called them the hobbit, when it is very clear the filmakers had little interest or joy in the book. The Rise of The Necromancer or The Quest for Erebor would have been better titles IMO.

The Talking Purse is Awesome, deal with it.

But he isn't quite as aweome as Cirdan.


xxxyyy
Rohan

Aug 8 2013, 2:05pm

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Ok, I won't like DOS. [In reply to] Can't Post

Talking spiders?!? Give me a break...

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Skaan
Lorien


Aug 8 2013, 2:29pm

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Well, the spiders talked in the book [In reply to] Can't Post

Also, if i remember right, the spiders will talk with Bilbo telepathically when he's wearing the ring.


Nightwing
Bree

Aug 8 2013, 2:47pm

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Philippa Boyens' big budget, blockbuster Mary Sue [In reply to] Can't Post

It's all just so obnoxiously self-gratifying.


IDLookout
Rivendell


Aug 8 2013, 3:52pm

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a rather testy skinchanger? [In reply to] Can't Post

Does "a rather testy skinchanger" refer to the Necromancer?


Bilbo, Bilbo! Bilbo Baggins,
He's only three feet tall.
Bilbo, Bilbo! Bilbo Baggins,
The bravest little hobbit of them all.

-Leonard Nimoy


malickfan
Gondor


Aug 8 2013, 4:02pm

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Can I just add...talking spiders yay! [In reply to] Can't Post

Psychic speech only, but still its nice to know PJ is making the animals more than brainless beasts of burden ths time, and I always thought it would give the wrong impression if only the dragon and trolls can speak.

The Talking Purse is Awesome, deal with it.

But he isn't quite as aweome as Cirdan.


Arannir
Valinor


Aug 8 2013, 4:11pm

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My guess would be Beorn. [In reply to] Can't Post

 



A dragon is no idle fancy. Whatever may be his origins, in fact or invention, the dragon in legend is a potent creation of mens imagination, richer in significance than his barrow is in gold. J.R.R. Tolkien

Words of wisdom that should be remembered - both by critics, purists and anyone in between.


IDLookout
Rivendell


Aug 8 2013, 4:14pm

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Ah [In reply to] Can't Post

of course, thanks.

Bilbo, Bilbo! Bilbo Baggins,
He's only three feet tall.
Bilbo, Bilbo! Bilbo Baggins,
The bravest little hobbit of them all.

-Leonard Nimoy


IDLookout
Rivendell


Aug 8 2013, 4:17pm

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talking spiders [In reply to] Can't Post

Awesome! Now i can only hope that Bilbo single handedly saves the dwarves. But knowing PJ's history, Thorin will probably do all of the work.

Bilbo, Bilbo! Bilbo Baggins,
He's only three feet tall.
Bilbo, Bilbo! Bilbo Baggins,
The bravest little hobbit of them all.

-Leonard Nimoy


MaeBeth
Bree


Aug 8 2013, 5:01pm

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Why the love triangle though? [In reply to] Can't Post

I get that Kili is different than other Dwarves (in the book, him & Fili seemed more into music than gold in Smaugs' cave) but do they have to go so far as writing him smitten with an elf?

Granted, she's gorgeous, they've been on the road forever with nothing but other male company, but a love triangle?? I feel too many movies are doing that enough as it is! Please tell me I'm not the only one confused by thisFrown

When you have Bilbo as your best friend, there're two phrases I personally like to use:
"It's you & me against the world Buddy. We attack at dawn."
"Come Burglar Boy, to the Hobbitmobile!" *ki-click*

*Insert Hero Theme Music Here


Shagrat
Gondor

Aug 8 2013, 5:23pm

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Thing is.. [In reply to] Can't Post

If you really read this closely, it reveals nothing new. No new pics, nothing really. The Kili-Tauriel thing has been rumoured for ages and they may just be repeating that. We know that the Orcs follow the company to Laketown. We've heard before that the spiders will communicate with Bilbo telepathically when he's wearing the ring. It's a reasonable guess that the Dol Guldur confrontation will be in this film, and the newly-announced Lego set appears to confirm this. The AUJ: EE information they could have essentially taken from past confirmation and Empire.

Someone in another thread said this magazine was notorious for making things up a lot of the time. I don't see an informative exclusive here of the type Empire had a few months back. I really don't think there's any major spoilers to speak of. I don't know all what the fuss is about.


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RosieLass
Valinor


Aug 8 2013, 7:31pm

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300 year old Elf? That's still in diapers. [In reply to] Can't Post

Seriously. Some dwarves live that long. I hope that's just a number someone pulled out of their backside. Otherwise, the script writers are even less knowledgeable about the source material than even I feared.

(It's a small detail, sure, but it's something that should be fairly commonly known even to a casual reader. Like hairy hobbit feet. An "expert" should have a good handle on the obvious stuff.)

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Ataahua
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Aug 8 2013, 7:36pm

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I get the feeling this article is cobbled together [In reply to] Can't Post

from various sources: Text in the book, comments and rumours online, and their own speculation. Maybe it's because it's translated but there's something about this article that doesn't make me confident about its accuracy.

I'm not worried about anything that the story has reported.

Celebrimbor: "Pretty rings..."
Dwarves: "Pretty rings..."
Men: "Pretty rings..."
Sauron: "Mine's better."

"Ah, how ironic, the addictive qualities of Saurons master weapon led to its own destruction. Which just goes to show, kids - if you want two small and noble souls to succeed on a mission of dire importance... send an evil-minded beggar with them too." - Gandalf's Diaries, final par, by Ufthak.


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MTRougeau
Bree

Aug 8 2013, 11:09pm

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Confirmation of *spoilers* [In reply to] Can't Post

Smaug's death in film 2??

"The dragon is dead, but the evil over Middle-earth is still not warded off: After Smaug pays his attack on Laketown with his life, the dwarves hide with their treasure in Erebor. Gradually leader Thorin Oakenshield is lured into his greed and paranoia which eventually leads to the Battle of the Five Armies. Men from Esgaroth, wood elves from Mirkwood and in the end also the dwarves of Erebor and the Iron Hills will face together with Gandalf, Bilbo, the giant eagles and the skinchanger Beorn the superior strength of orcs and wargs. Starts in German theatres on December 17th 2014."


(This post was edited by entmaiden on Aug 9 2013, 2:06pm)


DjU
Lorien

Aug 8 2013, 11:20pm

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Not really [In reply to] Can't Post

Not Really considering in the same article it also states this

"One climax of the new trilogy, which over 2000 actors and extras worked on, is the death of the dragon. Whether Smaugs fall will end part 2 however is yet unknown. Certain is that the Battle of the Five Armies will play the center role in The Hobbit There and Back Again."

As others in the thread have said this "article" is just a mish mash of already known facts, its definitely not an exclusive.

Anyway most things are heavily pointing towards the Laketown attack being near the front of film 3 - News of a 'extra' confrontation scene between the Dwarves and Smaug ending DoS and the Dol Goldur attack likely being in DoS


Lio
Lorien


Aug 8 2013, 11:53pm

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Yes, I'm a bit disappointed [In reply to] Can't Post

I was hoping for some real spoilers but there's not a thing in the article we didn't know already. Frown I don't think any of the pictures are new either. Oh well, I have a hunch things will pick up once September rolls around. Wink

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marillaraina
Rohan


Aug 8 2013, 11:57pm

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Not sure I get the issue [In reply to] Can't Post


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Seriously. Some dwarves live that long. I hope that's just a number someone pulled out of their backside. Otherwise, the script writers are even less knowledgeable about the source material than even I feared.

(It's a small detail, sure, but it's something that should be fairly commonly known even to a casual reader. Like hairy hobbit feet. An "expert" should have a good handle on the obvious stuff.)


I don't understand this comment. I'm pretty sure 300 year old elves aren't literally children. Why couldn't Tauriel be a young elven woman of 300 years old? While I haven't read anything beyond the LOTR, The Hobbit and The Silmarillon, I'm fairly certain 300 year old elves are young but have adult "jobs" and responsibilities.

And I didn't see anything confirming a love triangle.


(This post was edited by marillaraina on Aug 8 2013, 11:59pm)


xxxyyy
Rohan

Aug 9 2013, 12:37am

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That doesn't mean it's a good thing... [In reply to] Can't Post

I think talking spiders will just ruin the whole tension of the scene.
It will be, instead of a horrifying moment, a disgracefully comedic one, like the path of the dead in ROTK EE... even more maybe.
Ok, I might have some hope if they'll talk to Bilbo in a sort of creepy unintelligible whispers while he's wearinhg the Ring.

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AinurOlorin
Half-elven


Aug 9 2013, 1:42am

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Right????!!! One would think the actual Dol Guldur climax etc. would need to be [In reply to] Can't Post

added to film 3. . . . otherwise there is going to need to be a LOT of invention in that movie. The great battle, the funerals, and Gandalf taking Bilbo home, even the long way through Thranduil's and Beorn's and Elrond's, won't be enough for a movie that is two and a half hours or longer, and any thing short of that time would seem like a shorchanging.

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But if Smaug and Dol Goldur is in film 2, what's for film 3 a 2 hour BOFA or 45 minutes of Gandalf and Bilbo walking home?

Thank god for these leaks, if I din't know about Azog or Tauriel before hand I'd probably have a heart attack in the cinema...

I'll say it again my biggest problem with these films is that they called them the hobbit, when it is very clear the filmakers had little interest or joy in the book. The Rise of The Necromancer or The Quest for Erebor would have been better titles IMO.


"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!"

"Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."


AinurOlorin
Half-elven


Aug 9 2013, 1:47am

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Lol. It isn't in diapers. They would reach physical maturity well before that. [In reply to] Can't Post

Not all of the Elves were as old as Elrond, and certainly not all of the Silvan were as old as the likes of Celeborn or Galadriel.

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Seriously. Some dwarves live that long. I hope that's just a number someone pulled out of their backside. Otherwise, the script writers are even less knowledgeable about the source material than even I feared.

(It's a small detail, sure, but it's something that should be fairly commonly known even to a casual reader. Like hairy hobbit feet. An "expert" should have a good handle on the obvious stuff.)


"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!"

"Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."


DjU
Lorien

Aug 9 2013, 2:12am

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The end of DoS [In reply to] Can't Post

As I've already said myself and other have noted Its become more apparent that the end of DoS won't be the attack on Laketown, but a extra confrontation just between Smaug and the dwarves. Likely concurrent with Dol Guldur.

Then film three opening hour will be the attack on laketown and the aftermath with a build up to siege at Erebor and centrepiece bot5a likely in the second hour plus or so.

You can't really have Dol Guldur after Smaugs demise as it doesn't really give you any time for Gandalf to get back to Erebor or for the plot to refocus, if it was in TABA it would end up being slap bang in the middle of the build up to the bot5a

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