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Elutherian
Rohan


Aug 2 2013, 5:43am

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Any word on what those are, specifically?

I figured with the release of special features/packaging details, we'd also hear about the specific scenes that are to be extended/added.

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(This post was edited by Elutherian on Aug 2 2013, 5:44am)


Hamfast of Gamwich
Rivendell


Aug 2 2013, 8:11am

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There is an article about it in the recent DoS Empire Magazine [In reply to] Can't Post

PJ is quoted as saying they'll be more time in Hobbiton, more singing from the Goblin King, more dwarves in Rivendell, an explanation of why he elves and dwarves don't get on which is something to do with white gems, and some footage of Bard's grandfather trying to shoot Smaug with Black Arrows.

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AshNazg
Rohan


Aug 2 2013, 11:43am

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I've heard from a trustworthy source that the Narsil scene hasn't made the Extended Cut [In reply to] Can't Post

A friend working on the Extended Edition, hasn't seen the extended film but says the chapter listing makes no mention of the sword and from the information that he has, he doesn't think the Narsil scene has made the cut.

A trustworthy source, but not a completely definitive answer


Shagrat
Gondor

Aug 2 2013, 11:55am

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I'd be very surprised if that whole Bilbo in Rivendell sequence wasn't just one new scene. The music playing at the start of the scene, as heard in the extended 'White Council' track, suggests we join it mid-scene. That musical cue can't just begin there.

I will say however that we still haven't had confirmation of the Narsil scene being in. Does you source have any other information about what has and what hasn't made the extended cut? Wink


DanielLB
Immortal


Aug 2 2013, 12:12pm

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It hasn't been cut at all. [In reply to] Can't Post

And anyway, a chapter title doesn't reveal what a scene includes. It doesn't need to say "Narsil scene", for it to be a scene with Narsil in it.

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AshNazg
Rohan


Aug 2 2013, 12:28pm

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The only new info I can confirm [In reply to] Can't Post

Is that the chapter list has * and ** next to extended and additional scenes, like the LotR did. Sorry, it's so boring, but he only works in packaging Laugh


Shagrat
Gondor

Aug 2 2013, 12:32pm

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I'm still wondering if this flashback to young Bilbo will be an entirely new scene or an extension to an existing one, because you presume it will need some kind of context and won't actually be all that long. Same for the new bits in Goblintown. Those could just be extensions.


Skaan
Lorien


Aug 2 2013, 1:22pm

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Well, there's the extended Smaug prologue [In reply to] Can't Post

I wonder if that scene will feature new footage of Smaug. Perhaps the new footage of Smaug is a bit more updated to reflect his design in DoS?


Bombadil
Half-elven


Aug 2 2013, 1:30pm

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Would it Not be Plausable if Bilbo & Elrond [In reply to] Can't Post

leave the Balcony in the New Leaked Scene
and continue into the Mural Room with Narsil?

Or maybe, He has already heard about
"the Deepest Secret"
Rivendell is Hiding
from the Eye

Already?


Skaan
Lorien


Aug 2 2013, 1:36pm

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Does this mean the extended editions are already finished, seeing as they've begun started packing them? This could be disappointing news for those who were hoping PJ could still add some more scenes (including me).


TheHutt
Gondor


Aug 2 2013, 2:08pm

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The SEE [In reply to] Can't Post

...is already finished, scored, post-productioned, audio-commented and rated.

Nothing will change anymore.

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LordotRings93
Rohan


Aug 2 2013, 3:04pm

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I don't understand [In reply to] Can't Post

Why people think AUJ Smaug looks drastically different from Smaug in DoS. His head looks exactly the same from what I've seen at the end of AUJ, nothing really changed from his full face in DoS.

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DanielLB
Immortal


Aug 2 2013, 3:31pm

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I think it is down to perception [In reply to] Can't Post

When we see Smaug's eye and nostril at the end of AUJ, we all kind of formed a pre-conception of what the rest of Smaug's head looked like. I thought it would be long and slender, and didn't think differently. I bet others thought the same. When Smaug turned up in the trailer, he was completely different to that pre-conception. The mind plays tricks! Yes, they're the same, but under that gold I still see my dragon.
CrazyWink

P.S I have no issues with his design.



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Skaan
Lorien


Aug 2 2013, 3:51pm

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I didn't say he looks drastically different [In reply to] Can't Post

I meant that they might update some of his textures and all now that they've finalised his design. They've mentioned a couple of times that what we've seen in AUJ of Smaug was pretty much all the work they've done on him, that they hadn't finalised his design yet. So it's not too far-fetched that he looks a bit different in AUJ than he does in the DoS trailer.


Ham_Sammy
Tol Eressea

Aug 2 2013, 3:58pm

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Plus I can't help but imagine they weren't going to give us the full rendering of Smaug in the trailer. I really think it's a stand in digital without the bells and whistles and we'll get the real thing in December.

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AlatarVinyamar
Lorien

Aug 2 2013, 4:55pm

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I still wonder... [In reply to] Can't Post

Is it possible that there's actually more new footage, but that some of the action scenes have been trimmed down. That could give us the added running time while still incorporating the 20-25 mins that PJ promised.

In other words, is it actually definitively 13 extra minutes of new footage, or is that being assumed by the reported film length?


DjU
Lorien

Aug 2 2013, 5:13pm

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The press release says 13 minutes so its not really likely to be any difference.

Other than the Concerning Hobbits opening of FotR being quite heavily altered the rest of films didn't have anything really 'cut' bar a few individual frames and shots here and there, so I wouldn't expect anything to be cut.

However there is the one curiosity that has already been pointed out, if you look at the Official runtimes quoted in the Press releases the Theatrical DVD Press Release said 169 minutes but the Extend DVD Press release says 184 minutes, which is a minute or two off 13 minutes differences.

A minute discrepancy could potentially be explained by the TE being say 169m 30s and the EE having having 13m 30s extra, but a whole minute extra on the credits would be a bit odd? Again, another one for October/November!


Elfhelm
The Shire

Aug 2 2013, 7:42pm

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An extended goblin town chase seems pretty certain too... [In reply to] Can't Post

Since in the trailer we've seen the company split up into two (?) groups as they run away from the goblins. Now, I don't mind extended fight sequences when they are done well (e.g. the troll fight/Balin's tomb in LOTR EE), but the prospect of more of this cartoon/video game-like action (where goblins have next to no body mass and are being swatted away like flies, ridiculous falls causing no harm, etc.) doesn't exactly fill me with eager anticipation. Crazy The scene's lack of any sense of realism or adherence to physics makes it so unbelievable that you can only yawn as apparently these superhero dwarves are in no danger, ever. What's more, extending this scene may easily take several minutes of the precious extra 13min... *sigh*

Oh well, at least the new Bilbo/Elrond scene was great, hopefully the rest of the added stuff will follow suit! I'll take character development over mindless action any day.


Sinister71
Tol Eressea


Aug 2 2013, 8:43pm

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Bilbo has already walked thru the room with the shards only to meet Elrond on the balcony. Either way I hope the scene is longer than what we seen. Personally i would have loved to see more of this type of stuff than Jackson's made up stuff. Wink


Lusitano
Tol Eressea


Aug 2 2013, 9:04pm

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Wink

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Silverlode
Forum Admin / Moderator


Aug 2 2013, 9:55pm

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There is no precedent [In reply to] Can't Post

for anything being "trimmed down" in the EEs. The only two changes that came close were in FOTR, and they were not instances of one scene being cut and another being extended, but rather the whole scene being replaced by a longer one which covered the same ground. The two such changes are:

The addition of the Prologue which incorporated most of the scenes used in the TE intro but in a different rhythm and added much more backstory so the resulting segment was much longer than the original.

The entrance into Lothlorien. This one is a bit more complicated. Originally, as storyboarded and filmed, the Fellowship enters Lorien with a pack of orcs on their heels and there is a skirmish involving Haldir and his men in which the orcs are wiped out. Then followed the scene in which Haldir tells them they cannot enter Lorien and Aragorn pleads with him. This whole entry scene was cut from the TE and replaced by the scene in which the Fellowship simply walks into Lorien, are surrounded by Haldir's party and told "You cannot go back", and taken as hostages to see Galadriel. In the EE, this scene was taken out and replaced with the original "You cannot go forward" speech on the flet, but still without the orc chase and skirmish. This is why this scene in the EE has the "early" costumes and makeup for Legolas and Gimli, while the TE has the later ones that are seen throughout the rest of the films. We do not know if this was a decision made purely by PJ or if there was studio pressure to leave it out of the Theatrical cut as not being necessary or simply to bring the whole cut down to a certain runtime. But since before LOTR was released nobody knew it was going to be a gigantic hit and there were lots of people saying that the long runtime would hurt box office, they were probably doing their best to cut minutes wherever they could.

The Lorien entrance scenes are the only case in all of the films where a scene was altered between versions. In all other cases, the new footage was merely longer cuts of existing scenes or new ones added in, with nothing else being taken away. So nothing has ever been "trimmed down" in an EE, only expanded.

I suspect that the missing minutes of PJ's original estimate (made several months ago) probably got shifted into the rough cut of DOS and/or TABA or it was decided they just didn't work after all.

Silverlode

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dormouse
Half-elven


Aug 2 2013, 10:14pm

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Much as I like the new scene with Bilbo and Elrond on the balcony - and I like it a lot - I'm curious to know why you don't class it as 'Jackson's made up stuff'. It's not in the book, so Tolkien didn't made it up. And there was I thinking Peter Jackson could make up some good things..... Wink


Oscarilbo
Lorien


Aug 2 2013, 10:26pm

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..the child Bilbo scene show up ?

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dormouse
Half-elven


Aug 2 2013, 10:35pm

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No idea.... [In reply to] Can't Post

But I hope so


Ham_Sammy
Tol Eressea

Aug 2 2013, 10:42pm

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In Reply To

I suspect that the missing minutes of PJ's original estimate (made several months ago) probably got shifted into the rough cut of DOS and/or TABA or it was decided they just didn't work after all.


This is my view as well. That many of the scenes got shifted to Dos and TABA.

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