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Rivendell Moss

Werde Spinner
Rohan


Jul 31 2013, 4:52pm

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So I have finally persuaded my less geeky sister to read The Hobbit. She has just finished chapter three (and was very amused by the 'Trall-la-la-lally' Elves - she even came up with a tune to that song so she can sing it and get the words stuck in my head!! Tricksy hobbitses!).

Anyway, she noted how in the book Gandalf was looking for the moss on the stones to find his way to Rivendell, and made the connection I had never thought of. Remember how, in the movie, when the Dwarves are going through the small secret passage/chasm to Rivendell, and Bombur pauses to grab at a bit of moss (possibly wondering if it's edible) before Bifur shoves him along? She thought that might be a nod to the moss on the stones to Rivendell.

Has this idea occurred to anyone else, or does anyone think it is resaonable? Thoughts? Any sudden urges to go rewatch AUJ and look for moss on all the stones Gandalf and the Company run past on their way to the secret passage?? Cool

"I had forgotten that. It is hard to be sure of anything among so many marvels. The world is all grown strange. Elf and Dwarf in company walk in our daily fields; and folk speak with the Lady of the Wood and yet live; and the Sword comes back to war that was broken in the long ages ere the fathers of our fathers rode into the Mark! How shall a man judge what to do in such times?"

"As he ever has judged. Good and ill have not changed since yesteryear; nor are they one thing among Elves and Dwarves and another among Men. It is a man's part to discern them, as much in the Golden Wood as in his own house."


Brethil
Half-elven


Jul 31 2013, 5:56pm

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Silwen_Peredhil
Rivendell


Jul 31 2013, 6:13pm

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This had not occurred to me before [In reply to] Can't Post

I love anything in the film that nods towards what was written in the book. (I especially enjoyed scenes like that in LOTR.)

What's this? A Ranger caught off his guard?


Radagast-Aiwendil
Gondor


Jul 31 2013, 6:21pm

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Very observant! [In reply to] Can't Post

She's picked up a reference in seemingly no time that an avid fan of over ten years would never have thought of! Smile

"All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us."-Gandalf


jtarkey
Rohan


Jul 31 2013, 8:29pm

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"This had not occured to us Dude" [In reply to] Can't Post

Wink

"You're love of the halflings leaf has clearly slowed your mind"


Bombadil
Half-elven


Jul 31 2013, 9:18pm

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Bomby still says the Foreground Rock moves [In reply to] Can't Post

As Gandalf opens the secret passage...
Look closely or pause your Copy
& there is an ODD sound as this opens.

Then he Yells "This WAY"

So you tell me..Bomby is Not seeing things..


Ziggy Stardust
Gondor


Aug 1 2013, 12:56am

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Didn't even notice that! [In reply to] Can't Post

And I'm usually observant. I don't see why it wouldn't be a nod to the novel, it's too much of a coincidence.


Nira
Lorien


Aug 1 2013, 4:04am

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Is everything connected? [In reply to] Can't Post

This makes me wonder how many other seemingly small/unimportant moments on screen are connected to the book. What else have we missed?

"Why, to think of it, we're in the same tale still! It's going on. Don't the great tales never end?" -Samwise


Bombadil
Half-elven


Aug 1 2013, 4:24am

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Sooo..Many Homages, soo Ltle TIME?/// [In reply to] Can't Post

 


Werde Spinner
Rohan


Aug 1 2013, 8:19pm

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I've heard it, too. [In reply to] Can't Post

I always thought it was just a musical cue on the soundtrack, a sort of magical, "Tada!" to indicate to the audience that this is a special rock. I hadn't noticed the rock moving, though...

Perhaps there is some sort of Elven-magic to keep the passage hidden, and Gandalf has to speak a word to open it just as he does at Moria? After all, he does say there in the book that he once knew all the words used for the purposes of opening doors in all the languages spoken in the West of Middle-earth, so surely *somebody* other than Dwarves had passwords on their magic passageways!!

"I had forgotten that. It is hard to be sure of anything among so many marvels. The world is all grown strange. Elf and Dwarf in company walk in our daily fields; and folk speak with the Lady of the Wood and yet live; and the Sword comes back to war that was broken in the long ages ere the fathers of our fathers rode into the Mark! How shall a man judge what to do in such times?"

"As he ever has judged. Good and ill have not changed since yesteryear; nor are they one thing among Elves and Dwarves and another among Men. It is a man's part to discern them, as much in the Golden Wood as in his own house."


grammaboodawg
Immortal


Aug 2 2013, 4:06pm

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Whoa... a little bird told me you had a good Geeky Ob going on here :) [In reply to] Can't Post

WAY COOL!

I've been working on the DOS Geeky List and updated the AUJ List, so this is perfect timing!

WELL DONE and GREAT EYE! :D


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"There is more in you of good than you know, child of the kindly West."

I'm SO HAPPY these new films take me back to that magical world!!



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Ham_Sammy
Tol Eressea

Aug 2 2013, 5:41pm

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Darn it WS! [In reply to] Can't Post

I had taken today off to get some work done around the house and now I'm going to have to go watch AUJ. Back in 3 hours...

Thank you for your questions, now go sod off and do something useful - Martin Freeman Twitter chat 3/1/13


DjU
Lorien

Aug 2 2013, 6:11pm

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Don't think it does move. [In reply to] Can't Post

I don't think the Rock moves, it looks much more like it might be a Dolly Zoom (Push/Pull) that would obviously make the rock look like its moving when Gandalf is stood still.


Werde Spinner
Rohan


Aug 2 2013, 8:36pm

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You're welcome!! [In reply to] Can't Post

Cool Personally, I love any excuse to watch AUJ over again. But you should really blame my sister. It was really an amazing moment of geekery on her part.

...I just now, very randomly, thought of something. You know how Bofur's one line of dialogue in the book is (as far as I can recall) in Beorn's house, where he advises Bilbo to get up and eat something before it's all gone? What if they based Bofur's friendly personality on that one line of being helpful, in his own almost trolling way, to Bilbo??

Mind blown.

Now I've done it to myself!!!

*scurries off to go watch AUJ again, see you all again in 3 hours*

"I had forgotten that. It is hard to be sure of anything among so many marvels. The world is all grown strange. Elf and Dwarf in company walk in our daily fields; and folk speak with the Lady of the Wood and yet live; and the Sword comes back to war that was broken in the long ages ere the fathers of our fathers rode into the Mark! How shall a man judge what to do in such times?"

"As he ever has judged. Good and ill have not changed since yesteryear; nor are they one thing among Elves and Dwarves and another among Men. It is a man's part to discern them, as much in the Golden Wood as in his own house."


burgahobbit
Rohan


Aug 3 2013, 5:39pm

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Two homages [In reply to] Can't Post

I've noticed these two. I'm not sure about the first but the second is certainly one.

1. When the company is escaping the wargs in the book, they slide down a rocky slope that collapses under their feet until they can grab onto trees at the bottom. In the movie, in the first warg chase, they slide down a long slope. Unfortunately they didn't go all the way and have them start a mini-avalance but I still think it was somewhat of a homage. Something else that's interesting (if I remember "The History of the Hobbit" by John D. Rateliff correctly) is that this little episode was inspired by Tolkien's own adventure in Switzerland.
2. "My arms, my poor arms!" Again, they don't go all the way and make it like the book was, but the visual image is there. In the book: Dori is grabbed by an eagle and Bilbo grabs onto his feet yelling, "My arms, my poor arms!" As Dori yells, "My leg, my poor legs!" In the movie, Dori is holding onto Gandalf's staff as Ori holds onto his leg. I think Ori is kind of the substitute Bilbo when the latter is occupied with something else. Tongue

"I don't mean to be blunt but I felt I had to speak my mind, I'm sorry." - Bilbo Baggins.
"Apology accepted." - Balin.

 
 

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