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I pray the Battle of the Five Armies is filmed OUTSIDE

The Grey Pilgrim

Jul 31 2013, 4:21pm

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I pray the Battle of the Five Armies is filmed OUTSIDE Can't Post

Does anyone know? Also I hope it uses at least a partially real location and a relatively large number of real combatants. The Close-up shots of Thorin and various others we got on PJ's Last day blogging (assuming they are from the BOFA) made it feel very studio based. Unsure If it ends up looking like the brief battle scenes we've seen in AUJ then I'll be most disappointed. Please, give us more like Helm's Deep, less like Azanulbizar! You can feel the studio difference so much in lighting, texture, etc..any thoughts, opinions? Thanks

(This post was edited by The Grey Pilgrim on Jul 31 2013, 4:22pm)

Tol Eressea

Jul 31 2013, 4:30pm

Post #2 of 18 (1085 views)
Fear you might be praying [In reply to] Can't Post

to the fishes on this one.

I feel your pain. Smile

Azanulbizar looks like a physical set on the ground and an added in cgi background. Not like the natural mountainous war field it could have been.

Missed opportunity for some impressive battle and landscape visuals.

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The Grey Pilgrim

Jul 31 2013, 4:32pm

Post #3 of 18 (974 views)
I agree, very obvious. What a shame :( [In reply to] Can't Post

In Reply To
Azanulbizar looks like a physical set on the ground and an added in cgi background. Not like the natural mountainous war field it could have been.

Missed opportunity for some impressive battle and landscape visuals.


Jul 31 2013, 4:35pm

Post #4 of 18 (1032 views)
There were Azanulbizar location problems [In reply to] Can't Post

I recall reading that the location used in FOTR was very difficult to get to with a large crew, and so they decided to do it in a studio. I also imagine the rocky ground might have been a bit risky to film a large-scale battle scene on. As it was I love that scene and have no problems with it. But it remains to be seen what will be done with the Five Armies. Jackson mentioned filming on a set (which we didn't see), perhaps suggesting some of the battle may spill into the ruins of Erebor.


Jul 31 2013, 4:35pm

Post #5 of 18 (987 views)
Out on the Northern Tip of Miramar.. [In reply to] Can't Post

They had the Dale set, but there was more (I think)
Room for Large shots, or Outdoor BackLot
sets within PJ's Studios.

You have to remember it's Winter in NZ,
sooo.Bomby EXPECTS a
combination of these 3 choices.

Tol Eressea

Jul 31 2013, 5:18pm

Post #6 of 18 (853 views)
It could still be done in a studio [In reply to] Can't Post

and made to look impressive. As it is, it looks like a video game story featurette before the levels,imo.

You mean the battle on the footsteps of mount doom?

I hope there is set work for the battle. And if it takes place in winter, with rain or winter it might help give it a more nuanced look.

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Jul 31 2013, 6:00pm

Post #7 of 18 (904 views)
Remember this TORN spy report? [In reply to] Can't Post


I'm so hoping that was for the Battle itself ...

I absolutely agree with you about the issue of green-screen vs real locations. Somehow, CGI backgrounds tend to feel 'restrictive', no matter how realistic they are.

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Jul 31 2013, 6:06pm

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so we all sit in silent prayer [In reply to] Can't Post

i'm with you 100%


Jul 31 2013, 6:18pm

Post #9 of 18 (859 views)
I can guarantee that it will be a *bit* of both [In reply to] Can't Post

But, obviously, the majority of it has been shot in the studio(s). Take this picture from PJ's blogging in the other day - that looks like the floor is supposed to be a block of ice (lake/river ice?). They can't do that on location. Wink

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(This post was edited by DanielLB on Jul 31 2013, 6:18pm)


Jul 31 2013, 6:22pm

Post #10 of 18 (787 views)
I hadn't notice that [In reply to] Can't Post

I'm guessing we'll get some sliding action then. The possibilities concern me Unsure It's important this battle retains a serious focus due to the tragic consequences.

Oleander Took

Jul 31 2013, 6:49pm

Post #11 of 18 (839 views)
In the "Elves watch Happy Hobbit reaction" video you can [In reply to] Can't Post

see that they are outside from the openings in the tent, you could see hills and machinery too, so there's to hope

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Jul 31 2013, 11:41pm

Post #12 of 18 (582 views)
... [In reply to] Can't Post

It will be a combination of indoor and outdoor shots.

Obviously the pick-up shots they just finished were done in a studio.

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Jul 31 2013, 11:49pm

Post #13 of 18 (584 views)
Well... [In reply to] Can't Post

Legolas has to have something to slide down, doesn't he? Angelic


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Aug 1 2013, 12:26am

Post #14 of 18 (607 views)
It doesn't look like we'll see anything on the scale of LOTR [In reply to] Can't Post

While there was plenty of CGI used in the big battles of LOTR, especially Pelennor Fields, we also got a huge chunk of location filming, the most notable being the amazing Helm's Deep set (that later became Minas Tirith) and, for one of the most impressive sequences in the trilogy, the Ride of the Rohirrim with over a hundred real horses used. I don't think we're getting anything close to that with the Battle of Five Armies.

Azanulbizar is a good indication of what to expect, methinks. Though hopefully the effect will be more polished and it won't lessen the film in any way.


Aug 1 2013, 6:20am

Post #15 of 18 (516 views)
Grey Pilgrim, [In reply to] Can't Post

I'm glad someone else has recognized this. While it doesn't completely kill me if something is fully studio based, there's just more realism to a scene that's shot outdoors on a set.

Honestly, I personally consider it to be location shooting, even if it is on a set. Shots inside the streets of Minas Tirith rarely ever felt like a set. It always felt like a real place because they shot it outdoors. The same goes for Helm's Deep, as well as a lot of Rivendell shots from FOTR.

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Aug 1 2013, 6:42am

Post #16 of 18 (562 views)
Didn't they shoot a lot of Pelennor Fields on the backlot? [In reply to] Can't Post

Under natural light? It's been a while since I watched the docos but I seem to remember that. (I know they did quite a bit on location as well). Stuff like Eowyn and the Witch King was shot on the backlot I think. It looked quite good.

So hopefully that's how they are doing much of it. (If not locations - which would be preferable.)


Aug 1 2013, 10:15pm

Post #17 of 18 (355 views)
sigh [In reply to] Can't Post

this is sad. sitting in a beautiful place like new zealand, and shooting inside! it seems like location shooting has been de-emphasized with The Hobbit, but it's so crucial to the texture of LoTR (and of middle earth as I want to remember it). misfire.

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(This post was edited by cartermoulton on Aug 1 2013, 10:21pm)

Tol Eressea

Aug 1 2013, 11:34pm

Post #18 of 18 (360 views)
Some of it [In reply to] Can't Post

But the horse charge itself was out in a field. It's on the extra's on the RoTK disc.

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