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More Dwarven singing in DOS?

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Jul 28 2013, 2:59pm


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My Sunday post on The History of the Hobbit in the Reading Room is still on hiatus while the TORn Symposium sparkles on...

Thought I'd post instead about upcoming lyrics from the book, related to previous post "Peter jackson music update everything going be new score music"...


Main Question: Do you think we'll see the dwarves doing more group singing?

From my reading of the book, there is only one canon opportunity of Dwarven Singing (as opposed to songs attributed to Bilbo, the Elves, or the people of Laketown) coming up in what I think will be DOS material...

1. The Beorn scene in the book (Chapter 7: Queer Lodgings) includes a near repeat of the Bag End singing scene...sleepy Bilbo hears the dwarves singing around the fire at Beorn's lodge. Same pentameter as Misty Mountain song (in fact, fits with the same tune.) Though the "new music" comment makes me think that if used, these verses would have a new melody--and I'm not thinking (given the way the themes changed in each of the LOTR films) that we would see a melodic repeat. I can see pros/cons to including this, however. Yes, it's canon, but could also be too repetitive of AUJ material. What do you think? First stanza:


The wind was on the withered heath,
but in the forest stirred no leaf :
there shadows lay by night and day,
and dark things silent crept beneath

2. Another opportunity for Dwarven Singing based on canon comes in Erebor after the death of Smaug--which I suspect is TABA material. This is the scene where the dwarves are soothing Thorin in Chapter 15: Gathering of the Clouds. Again, same pentameter (the dwarves seem consistent on this in TH...) In my mind, I never heard Thorin participating in this song...at least not in the beginning. What do you think? "But their song was not like elvish song, and was much like the song they had sung long before in Bilbo's little hobbit hole." First stanza:

Under the Mountain dark and tall
The King has come unto his hall!
His foe is dead, the Worm of Dread,
And ever so his foes shall fall.

3. Lastly, does anyone know if the cast has commented on doing more songs other than the Misty Mountain song? (Other than the Bofur/Merry old inn song cut from AUJ, which we may see in the EE.) If anyone's going to fan events (Boston or Atlanta?) maybe this would make a fair question!

Side note: I admit to queueing up Neil Finn's "Song of the Lonely Mountain" for the morning commute last Friday, in honor of the last day of filming. Unsure

(Discussion ofThe History of the Hobbit by John D Rateliff will continue in the RRoom post-TORn Symposium.)









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More Dwarven singing in DOS? bruinen Send a private message to bruinen Jul 28 2013, 2:59pm
    I keep forgetting about the Dwarves' song at Beorn's lodge Otaku-sempai Send a private message to Otaku-sempai Jul 28 2013, 3:13pm
    I for one hope that we get more dwarf singing! Old Toby Send a private message to Old Toby Jul 28 2013, 5:16pm
        I do, too! RosieLass Send a private message to RosieLass Jul 29 2013, 4:32pm
    Good Things Come in Threes IdrilofGondolin Send a private message to IdrilofGondolin Jul 28 2013, 7:58pm
        Whatever they put in the Films will be Killer!/// Bombadil Send a private message to Bombadil Jul 28 2013, 8:39pm
            .... kbdiggity Send a private message to kbdiggity Jul 28 2013, 10:23pm
        I like your thinking, Idril! bruinen Send a private message to bruinen Jul 29 2013, 12:00am
    I hope so Nira Send a private message to Nira Jul 28 2013, 8:18pm
    singing, and not just Dwarvish - a definite 'yes' from me. dik-dik Send a private message to dik-dik Jul 28 2013, 8:39pm
    I certainly hope so, as I hope to see a certain display of colourful Wizard smoke rings. I would find it more effective if AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Jul 28 2013, 8:44pm
        The world was fair in Durin's day Na Vedui Send a private message to Na Vedui Jul 28 2013, 10:46pm
            Ooooo... bruinen Send a private message to bruinen Jul 29 2013, 12:02am
            I have not! Only a rendering in poem form by Tolkien. AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Jul 29 2013, 2:27am
            Found a link to the Tolkien Ensemble performance you referenced... bruinen Send a private message to bruinen Jul 29 2013, 1:45pm
                Thanks Bruinen and Na Vedui! Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Jul 30 2013, 12:28am
                Tolkien Ensemble Na Vedui Send a private message to Na Vedui Jul 31 2013, 12:12am
                Well found. Is that Christopher Lee singing? I see his name on the album AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Jul 31 2013, 2:02am
    Reply Retro315 Send a private message to Retro315 Jul 29 2013, 1:29am
        Symbolism of 'Wind on the Withered Heaath' Otaku-sempai Send a private message to Otaku-sempai Jul 29 2013, 1:12pm
            Stomp, anyone? That could be very fun...they've got the boots for it! bruinen Send a private message to bruinen Jul 29 2013, 2:08pm
                Please, no Stomp... Otaku-sempai Send a private message to Otaku-sempai Jul 29 2013, 2:34pm
                    Gee, blunt the knives... bruinen Send a private message to bruinen Jul 29 2013, 2:46pm
                        Pretty much anything sung by Dwarves is going to be part stomp. Unless it's all stomp.// L. Ron Halfelven Send a private message to L. Ron Halfelven Jul 29 2013, 3:53pm
    What other songs from the book might we hear? QuackingTroll Send a private message to QuackingTroll Jul 29 2013, 1:58pm
        LOL bruinen Send a private message to bruinen Jul 29 2013, 2:02pm
    Not dwarven, but hoping for... bruinen Send a private message to bruinen Jul 29 2013, 2:00pm
    Yes, please! Werde Spinner Send a private message to Werde Spinner Jul 29 2013, 4:17pm

 
 
 

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