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Benedict's Presence in AUJ


Jul 26 2013, 3:14pm

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Benedict's Presence in AUJ Can't Post

Hey folks - question on the mind. I noted that Benedict is credited in AUJ's end credits, but (unless he physically appears in the EE), why was he credited? I recognize that he voiced and did mo-cap for the Necromancer, and judging by some of Jackson's comments we'll be seeing Sauron in the ancient past and also how he gets to the point where he is in LotR, but in AUJ, do we have ogficial confirmation that the shadowy form is actual mo-cap, or is Benedict simply credited when the Necromancer speaks and says "Radagast" and although layered, sounds like Cumby's voice?

In other words, I'm asking if we have any official confirmation of the extent of Benedict's presence in the film.

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Jul 26 2013, 3:23pm

Post #2 of 16 (671 views)
i think the end credits is official [In reply to] Can't Post

i think the end credits is official


Jul 26 2013, 3:45pm

Post #3 of 16 (656 views)
Extent of Benedict's Presence [In reply to] Can't Post

Understood - but I'm also curious about the extent of his involvement - is it just the voice? Is it just a complete CGI crafted shadow form or is that actually Benedict via motion capture? I realize he has a presence, which is confirmed by the credits. Simply curious if we know if its just the voice or form or both.

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Jul 26 2013, 4:00pm

Post #4 of 16 (596 views)
I don't think he mo-capped the shadow in AUJ [In reply to] Can't Post

I think all his mo-cap scenes were shot after AUJ was finished shooting Smile
All he did in AUJ was the voice I believe

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Jul 26 2013, 4:08pm

Post #5 of 16 (591 views)
Cumberbatch plays Smaug [In reply to] Can't Post

Smaug was in AUJ, if only briefly. That would explain his name in the credits. The Necromancer was also in AUJ...


Jul 26 2013, 4:12pm

Post #6 of 16 (614 views)
Somehow ... I can't believe the black blob in AUJ was Cumberbatch. [In reply to] Can't Post

That is generic CGI, surely, and not the result of masterful mo-capping that bought as Gollum and the Trolls. We did hear the Necromancer speak, so perhaps that's why he was credit. (And/or, we will see more of the Necromancer in the extended edition, and it saves changing the credits.)

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Jul 26 2013, 5:45pm

Post #7 of 16 (529 views)
We heard his voice, therefore getting him a sneaky credit [In reply to] Can't Post

He is credited as 'The Necromancer' so it's not Smaug's prologue appearance that got his name in the credits.


Jul 26 2013, 6:37pm

Post #8 of 16 (484 views)
Agreed about the Necromancer's voice [In reply to] Can't Post

Whatever the black blob was (and I agree that it seems pointless to mocap something like that), there was a bit of the Necromancer's voice in the background of that scene. The end credits are largely determined by contract obligations though, and it's possible that Cumberbatch's contract required that he receive recognition for all three films.

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Jul 27 2013, 12:51am

Post #9 of 16 (399 views)
He spoke? [In reply to] Can't Post

How did I miss that? I didn't hear him say Radagast's name. That would be uber-creepy. Wink I just heard a whispered hiss. Does he really say Radagast?
Also, I thought the shadow form was an outline of Benedict, only because it looked to be about the same height and girth as Benedict. I could be wrong, but it looked like his shape.

(This post was edited by Ziggy Stardust on Jul 27 2013, 12:53am)

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Jul 27 2013, 1:00am

Post #10 of 16 (377 views)
I thought so too [In reply to] Can't Post

I thought it was ben in a percap suit just standing there and his voice.

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Jul 27 2013, 1:48pm

Post #11 of 16 (255 views)
I missed the voice at first too [In reply to] Can't Post

But when you go back and watch the scene, if you pay close attention he definitely whispers "Radagast" in a broken voice similar to how Sauron and the wraiths whisper when Frodo wears the Ring in FotR.

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Jul 27 2013, 4:10pm

Post #12 of 16 (226 views)
Pretty sure [In reply to] Can't Post

the subtitles indicate that the Necromancer says, "Radagast," and he sounds appropriately like one of the Nazgul as he does so. I too thought he was just hissing the first time I saw AUJ, but later viewings showed me otherwise.

Yeah, I've watched the movie with subtitles. Multiple times. Sigh. I obviously need something else to do with my time, but I'm impenitent. Tongue

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Jul 27 2013, 4:52pm

Post #13 of 16 (258 views)
ZIG..someone HERE posted that it IS... in the SubTitles [In reply to] Can't Post

in foreign language Versions...

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running away from DG
with Bats flying behind him...

Ziggy Stardust

Jul 27 2013, 6:10pm

Post #14 of 16 (209 views)
Thanks! [In reply to] Can't Post

This gives me an excuse to watch the movie again. Cool This time, I will pay close attention.

Ziggy Stardust

Jul 27 2013, 6:12pm

Post #15 of 16 (226 views)
I love that shot too [In reply to] Can't Post

Now that I know Radagast hears his name from the Necromancer, it just adds more significance to him running away and the bats flying after him. The bats made me think of Dracula!

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Jul 27 2013, 10:35pm

Post #16 of 16 (247 views)
Where is Sir Christopher Lee when we need him? :P [In reply to] Can't Post


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