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Peter jackson music update everthing going be new score music
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Jul 26 2013, 2:19am

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Peter jackson music update everthing going be new score music Can't Post

The score for Film 2 is going to be terrific. Last year, we were a little frustrated because we had to revisit so many of the LotR themes - The Shire, Rivendell, Galadriel, Gollum, and the Ring - we did this because I'm wanting these 3 Hobbit movies to have great unity with the Rings films in design, wardrobe, story and music, so it meant when "An Unexpected Journey" had to acknowledge what had gone before.
But this time around, apart from a couple of Ring moments, it's all new: Beorn, Mirkwood, The Woodland Realm, Laketown, Bard and Smaug all give Howard the chance to write brand new themes, and he's knockin it out of the park!

Am so happy we get to here new music score for the Dos movie and it seem like Peter jackson knew he used some reused music for the first hobbit movie.

Tol Eressea

Jul 26 2013, 2:27am

Post #2 of 31 (974 views)
Yep [In reply to] Can't Post

I was sure glad to hear this and just elated to know Shore is hard at work on new score stuff. Terrific news. The DoS juggernaut will be chugging down the tracks in just 4 1/2 months. Not a lot of time.

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Tol Eressea

Jul 26 2013, 2:32am

Post #3 of 31 (964 views)
Can't wait for HS new themes and score... [In reply to] Can't Post

These new themes should probably be better incorporated into DoS given the extended period after the trilogy decision, as opposed to AUJ having major themes/motifs (Bilbo, Erebor, Dwarf Lords, Radagast) which were absent or largely absent from the film itself, yet present on the official score.

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Jul 26 2013, 2:49am

Post #4 of 31 (958 views)
Busts out a happy dance! [In reply to] Can't Post

I'm keeping my eyes peeled for when the DoS CD is coming out -- joy!


Jul 26 2013, 6:40am

Post #5 of 31 (783 views)
Yay! [In reply to] Can't Post

I'm glad he explained this for us. I'm glad to have new music. Smile

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Jul 26 2013, 9:10am

Post #6 of 31 (724 views)
I simply can't wait... [In reply to] Can't Post

for a preview to come out for the new score! Remember when we first heard the track 'Radagast the Brown'?
How long was it before the film came out when that track was released?

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Jul 26 2013, 9:30am

Post #7 of 31 (735 views)
Encouraging [In reply to] Can't Post

There was no problem with reusing old LOTR themes where applicable, but judging from the album soundtrack I sense that Shore dealt with this a lot better than Jackson did. But this news is certainly very encouraging.

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Jul 26 2013, 11:31am

Post #8 of 31 (674 views)
Great news... [In reply to] Can't Post

Let's hope it all makes it into the movie, not just on the album soundtrack this time!

i believe that was the main problem - even though HS wrote new music for some scenes, it was shelved in favour of reusing LotR themes! ("Frying Pan" sequence in particular)

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Jul 26 2013, 2:47pm

Post #9 of 31 (589 views)
Yes!!! [In reply to] Can't Post

This was the most positively refreshing news of the day for me!



Jul 26 2013, 3:08pm

Post #10 of 31 (588 views)
I think the best news for me in this, [In reply to] Can't Post

Is the fact that PJ thinks it was frustrating to reuse old music. Even though this doesn't guarantee us that there won't be any reused music in the next 2 films (other than the Ring theme like he said), it's still good to hear that PJ himself (and probably Howard Shore aswell) aren't a fan of reusing old music, so this gives me good hopes for the next movies.


Jul 26 2013, 5:34pm

Post #11 of 31 (549 views)
I am still hoping some of AUJ is re-scored for the EE [In reply to] Can't Post

After all, Howard Shore did do separate recording sessions for all 3 LOTR EEs, with some of the existing cues from the theatrical cuts altered, if only slightly. Some of the AUJ score felt lazy in places.

It sounds like both Peter and Howard weren't 100% happy with how things turned out so maybe the EE is the opportunity to change certain parts. Of course, the main focus should be on DoS. Of course, it won't all be brand new score. I'm sure we'll be hearing Azog's theme again, as well as Sauron/Necromancer stuff and maybe even the Nazgul theme again.


Jul 26 2013, 5:52pm

Post #12 of 31 (586 views)
What's interesting to me is Azog's Nazgul/Mordor theme at the end... [In reply to] Can't Post

...Along with Elrond's Lothlorien theme after the warg chase

These two themes seemed out of context in the film and I assumed they could have been used just to make TH feel more like LotR. But if PJ didn't like reusing the themes then this theory doesn't work, as he would've found new themes unless they were absolutely necessary.

So in what way is it necessary to use the Nazgul or Lothlorien themes here? Were the horses after the warg chase Galadriel's and is Azog a servant of Sauron or the Witch King? I guess we'll have to wait and see.

(This post was edited by QuackingTroll on Jul 26 2013, 5:55pm)


Jul 26 2013, 6:35pm

Post #13 of 31 (550 views)
This makes me hopeful [In reply to] Can't Post

I was really surprised at how many reused LOTR themes were in the AUJ. I felt that it cheapened the new scenes, especially reusing the Nazgul theme for Azog's fight with Thorin. I can appreciate them wanting to establish parallels with the earlier trilogy but too much of that just makes the story feel small and insignificant compared to what came before.

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Jul 27 2013, 1:28am

Post #14 of 31 (441 views)
Really great points, QT. I'm really interested to hear as well. // [In reply to] Can't Post



Jul 27 2013, 8:12am

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Elrond's Lothlorien theme? [In reply to] Can't Post

Sorry, that has me really confused. (Have to confess that I'm not as good at identifying themes as some people. I recognise a few and that for me is a pleasure, like seeing an old friend, but there aren't many that I could actually put a name to. Probably only the Shire, Rohan and Gondor and the Fellwoship theme.)

So I can only go by the names and why would Elrond have a Lothlorien theme? I didn't think there was any mystery about the horses after the warg chase. Wasn't that Elrond and his Rivendell elves - the same party that ride into Rivendell after the dwarves arrive?

And as far as the Nazgul or Mordor or whatever it was theme that plays as Thorin strides down to face Azog, I know that's been discussed a lot, but didn't Doug Adams hint at some point that there was a reason for that which would become apparent later?


Jul 27 2013, 10:41am

Post #16 of 31 (413 views)
Here's a few examples... [In reply to] Can't Post

Here's the theme for Lothlorien:

We only ever hear it it in the Lothlorien and Caras Galadhon scenes.

The theme is then reused in the Two Towers when the LOTHLORIEN elves arrive at Helm's Deep:

The theme is then made more aggressive in the battle when the LOTHLORIEN elves are defenting Helm's Deep:
http://www.youtube.com/...t=PL933708DED252A80D (about 20 seconds in)

In The Hobbit we hear this theme after the warg chase when the RIVENDELL elves appear, despite the theme having no connection with Rivendell previously.

What I would have preferred was a more aggressive version of this theme:

http://youtu.be/09juUFppEQo?t=17s (ignore the Shire theme parts)

Hope that's clear enough... I got confused writing it Laugh

(This post was edited by QuackingTroll on Jul 27 2013, 10:45am)

Tol Eressea

Jul 27 2013, 10:51am

Post #17 of 31 (403 views)
Yeah [In reply to] Can't Post

How the themes were used sometimes just doesn't make any sense. Considering how meticulous they were in LOTR i don't know what happened here...


Jul 27 2013, 11:43am

Post #18 of 31 (392 views)
Well, Galadriel was at Rivendell... [In reply to] Can't Post

If they were her horses then the theme would make perfect sense. But there's nothing to suggest this is the case, considering Elrond arrives with them. Maybe an early concept was to have Galadriel arrive at this point and when things changed the theme stayed. Or maybe there's something going on here that we don't know about?

Another (annoying) possibility is that they simply didn't want to give away the fact that they were Rivendell elves by playing the theme, so went for Lothlorien as a red herring. But I hope this isn't the case.

It's a very curious decision


Jul 27 2013, 2:50pm

Post #19 of 31 (380 views)
I hope the new score is good. I wasn't impressed... [In reply to] Can't Post

I wasn't impressed by anything in AUJ, except the wonderful eagle theme. I suppose there weren't many beautiful themes because we went to so many ugly locations. So in theory, The Elvenking's Halls, Beorn's house and Laketown should make up for this lack of beauty. **fingers crossed**


Jul 27 2013, 5:33pm

Post #20 of 31 (364 views)
About the reused themes [In reply to] Can't Post

I wonder how many of them were used because of the last-minute decision to split the films into a trilogy. We know they moved some material that was originally supposed to be in AUJ to the new DOS, so I'm sure they added more material to the rest of AUJ to keep up the running length. The most obvious case of this is the Azog fight, which seemed put together very quickly in order to have a climax. It's possible that Shore simply didn't have time to compose enough music for all the new scenes.

I am more hopeful about DOS in light of PJ's most recent comments, though. Smile

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Jul 27 2013, 5:55pm

Post #21 of 31 (346 views)
If that is genuinely the case... [In reply to] Can't Post

Then I really hope they rescore the Extended Editions, because that's a pretty lame excuse


Jul 27 2013, 5:57pm

Post #22 of 31 (349 views)
Plausible, but seems unlikely [In reply to] Can't Post

The "third film split" was announced this time last year, yet Howard Shore started recording the soundtrack in August. While Shore would have had to re-work some of his work, the decision to split the film would have been made *long* before it was announced to the public.

Importantly, Shore would have been kept in the loop completely. It wouldn't have been an out-of-the-blue announcement for him.

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Jul 27 2013, 6:44pm

Post #23 of 31 (336 views)
Anything? [In reply to] Can't Post

There's some wonderful music on that soundtrack, though regrettably some of it is merely confined to the album.

And remember there is an alternative composition for Thorin's confrontation with Azog on the soundtrack, so clearly Shore had time to do something original. It seems more likely to me that Jackson didn't think it fit the scene.


Jul 27 2013, 9:25pm

Post #24 of 31 (294 views)
I admittedly haven't actually listened to the album. I heard there were some unused themes, but just haven't sought them out // [In reply to] Can't Post



Jul 27 2013, 9:38pm

Post #25 of 31 (314 views)
Thanks for those.... [In reply to] Can't Post

That really did make sense. I love the music, I just wish I could 'read' it as well as other people do. But you've added to the lists of themes I can put a name to now!

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