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Necromancer only a CGI-shadow ?!
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NoelGallagher
Rohan


Jul 25 2013, 8:42pm

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Necromancer only a CGI-shadow ?! Can't Post

I read in a german movie magazine ("Cinema") today that
the Necromancer will be only performed as a CGI-Shadow by Cumberbatch.
Would you be disappointed if we only see him that way in DOS and probably TaBa ?!


xxxyyy
Rohan

Jul 25 2013, 9:01pm

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Yes, I want a flashback with Sauron, in his "elvish" form... [In reply to] Can't Post

Well.. I want... I think it would be cool to show us a bit of Sauron's backstory... I think it would be a missed chance if they do not do that... and yes, and I love suspension points...

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NoelGallagher
Rohan


Jul 25 2013, 9:12pm

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DoS totally packed [In reply to] Can't Post

Since we can assume that DoS will contain:
-Moria Flashback
-Beorn
-High Fells
-Mirkwood
-Laketown
-Dol Guldur
-Erebor
-probably Smaugs death

Just to point out the Main topics...to much for the movie?! Since Boyens stated that DoS could be the shortest.


(This post was edited by NoelGallagher on Jul 25 2013, 9:14pm)


DeadRabbits
Lorien


Jul 25 2013, 9:27pm

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If they're going to give us Sauron's backstory, it'll probably be in TABA. [In reply to] Can't Post

So Benedict doing mocap work as a shadow in DOS doesn't necessarily mean we can't see him as something else in TABA.

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NoelGallagher
Rohan


Jul 25 2013, 9:34pm

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i hope so [In reply to] Can't Post


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So Benedict doing mocap work as a shadow in DOS doesn't necessarily mean we can't see him as something else in TABA.


But i have the feeling that the Dol Guldur plot will probably be finished in DoS...
Or do you all think that this subplot will also be part of TaBa ?!


Darkstone
Immortal


Jul 25 2013, 9:50pm

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Well... [In reply to] Can't Post

I suppose sometime during the Siege of Dol Guldur Gandalf could get him monologuing about his backstory. Like how in Valinor he was raised by ocelots and had to work as a lawn gnome to support the Valar. And how there was a 10th Ringwraith named Balloony. And how he's divorced and has a daughter named Vanessa and now he's going to take over the Tri-Kindred Area using his One-Ringinator!

This could work!!

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DeadRabbits
Lorien


Jul 25 2013, 10:01pm

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The DG subplot will probably be resolved in TABA... [In reply to] Can't Post

Gandalf and Radagast goes to investigate DG in DOS and find out that the Necromancer is really Sauron. They (or at least Gandalf) barely escape, and sometime during TABA he convinces the white council about the necessity of an attack, which will take place later in the movie.

Now now Bill, you swore this was a battle between warriors, not a bunch of miss nancies, so warriors is what I brought


NoelGallagher
Rohan


Jul 25 2013, 10:39pm

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is -during TaBa- not a bit late ?! [In reply to] Can't Post


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Gandalf and Radagast goes to investigate DG in DOS and find out that the Necromancer is really Sauron. They (or at least Gandalf) barely escape, and sometime during TABA he convinces the white council about the necessity of an attack, which will take place later in the movie.


Since we know Gandalf is part of BOFA, which is likely to happen in the middle of TaBa...


DeadRabbits
Lorien


Jul 25 2013, 11:15pm

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I just don't see how they're going to cram it into DOS [In reply to] Can't Post

I suspect the Battle of Dol Guldur will take place at the same time as the buildup to the Battle of the Five Armies. Maybe Gandalf will arrive on the back of an eagle?

Now now Bill, you swore this was a battle between warriors, not a bunch of miss nancies, so warriors is what I brought


Salmacis81
Grey Havens


Jul 26 2013, 12:56am

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Exactly... [In reply to] Can't Post

Other than a very vague outline in the LOTR Appendices, all of the info on Sauron's First Age/Second Age backstory comes from books that Jackson and Co. do not have the rights to. They could have used as backstory the White Council's formation, Gandalf's previous forays into Dol Guldur and the decay of Mirkwood over the course of 2000 years, but they've already condensed all of that to fit into the present timeline.

Sure, Jackson could do some "Annatar/Celebrimbor/Rings of Power" stuff, but that has much more to do with LOTR than it does The Hobbit, and would put unnecessary focus on the Ring.


Salmacis81
Grey Havens


Jul 26 2013, 1:07am

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That would not disappoint me... [In reply to] Can't Post

According to Jackson's LOTR movies, Sauron could "not yet take physical form", so it would stand to reason that he'd be incorporeal in The Hobbit.


Brethil
Half-elven


Jul 26 2013, 1:12am

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Olorinschmirtz! // [In reply to] Can't Post

 

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Ziggy Stardust
Gondor


Jul 26 2013, 1:31am

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LOL! [In reply to] Can't Post

The tale of DoofenSauron!


Ziggy Stardust
Gondor


Jul 26 2013, 1:34am

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As long as it's a good shadow [In reply to] Can't Post

with a face, and scares me. I want the Necromancer to be scary, spooky, eerie! Something that'll make me shiver.


kbdiggity
Rivendell

Jul 26 2013, 2:32am

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Nope [In reply to] Can't Post


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I read in a german movie magazine ("Cinema") today that
the Necromancer will be only performed as a CGI-Shadow by Cumberbatch.
Would you be disappointed if we only see him that way in DOS and probably TaBa ?!



Did anyone really expect something different?

He had the ring cut from his finger and was never again able to regain his full physical form. This was made clear in the previous LoTR movies (not to mention the dang books.)

Were people really expecting Peter Jackson to completely throw away how he handled Sauron in the LoTR movies just to give them a few minutes of a physical form in the Dol Guldur battle?

To quote the NFL guys on ESPN... "Come on Man!!!!"


kbdiggity
Rivendell

Jul 26 2013, 2:39am

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Gandalf and Radagast goes to investigate DG in DOS and find out that the Necromancer is really Sauron. They (or at least Gandalf) barely escape, and sometime during TABA he convinces the white council about the necessity of an attack, which will take place later in the movie.



I certainly hope not. I mean I realize we can't rely on direct adaptations from the books. But the books say the Dol Guldur assault happened in the same month that Bilbo found the ring.... a few months before Smaug attacked Laketown and the Battle of Five Armies.


I think the assault on Dol Guldur makes the most sense being placed in the middle of DoS, with the film ending with Smaug's attack in Laketown. Then TABA can start off with either the continuation of Smaug's attack or the immediate aftermath, followed by the gathering storm and Gandalf's return, then the epic Peter Jackson sized Battle of Five Armies, and then the journey home.


Rembrethil
Tol Eressea

Jul 26 2013, 3:57am

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P&F+Tolkien mash-up? [In reply to] Can't Post

Love them separately , not sure about together.

Though I saw ideas for a Gilbert and Sullivan/Tolkien mash-up that was pretty hilarious.


Yngwulff
Gondor


Jul 26 2013, 6:00am

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fair yet foul? [In reply to] Can't Post


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with a face, and scares me. I want the Necromancer to be scary, spooky, eerie! Something that'll make me shiver.



As said in that conversation between Aragorn and Frodo. It was said Sauron was fair once, and fair yet foul or sinister would be the way to go in my opinion. In a scary and insidious way though ...
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RosieLass
Valinor


Jul 26 2013, 7:02am

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I prefer it that way. [In reply to] Can't Post

Since Sauron is just a bit part in a sub-sub-story, he doesn't need to be fleshed out, either physically or with a long backstory.

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Elizabeth
Valinor


Jul 26 2013, 7:11am

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Agreed.// [In reply to] Can't Post

 








ElendilTheShort
Gondor


Jul 26 2013, 8:59am

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Not the books [In reply to] Can't Post

Sauron not having a physical form at the time of the stories apart from the eye is pure movie invention.


NoelGallagher
Rohan


Jul 26 2013, 9:28am

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Already in the middle?!? A bit early, eh? [In reply to] Can't Post


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Gandalf and Radagast goes to investigate DG in DOS and find out that the Necromancer is really Sauron. They (or at least Gandalf) barely escape, and sometime during TABA he convinces the white council about the necessity of an attack, which will take place later in the movie.



I certainly hope not. I mean I realize we can't rely on direct adaptations from the books. But the books say the Dol Guldur assault happened in the same month that Bilbo found the ring.... a few months before Smaug attacked Laketown and the Battle of Five Armies.


I think the assault on Dol Guldur makes the most sense being placed in the middle of DoS, with the film ending with Smaug's attack in Laketown. Then TABA can start off with either the continuation of Smaug's attack or the immediate aftermath, followed by the gathering storm and Gandalf's return, then the epic Peter Jackson sized Battle of Five Armies, and then the journey home.



Jettorex
Lorien


Jul 26 2013, 12:12pm

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Necromancer at the lonely mountain [In reply to] Can't Post

I have a feeling that after the necromancer is expelled from dol Guldor and Smaug is killed, he is going to show up at the lonely mountain.

What do you all think?


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flameofudun
Lorien

Jul 26 2013, 1:54pm

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Where was the Moira flashback info gleaned from? [In reply to] Can't Post

I remember hearing something about that

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dormouse
Half-elven


Jul 26 2013, 3:26pm

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Especially Vanessa! // [In reply to] Can't Post

 

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