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Concerning Azog's markings

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Jul 15 2013, 4:45am

Post #1 of 16 (924 views)
Concerning Azog's markings Can't Post

Where did they come from. Do you think it's possible they are bear claw marks?

The Mitch King

Jul 15 2013, 4:58am

Post #2 of 16 (532 views)
hmmm [In reply to] Can't Post

Bear claw marks would be interesting but I personally feel he gave himself AND his warg similar marks as a sign that he is a badass!


Jul 15 2013, 8:26am

Post #3 of 16 (445 views)
Bear [In reply to] Can't Post

I think you've stumbled onto something.

I noticed them but never put 2+2 together til you mentioned it.

I'd bet the farm they are bear claws, hence the animosity of beorn to Azog and Bolg I suspect will rear its ugly head in AUJ and TABA. Speculating how/why will be fruitless until we see the finished product, but I think you are right. Those marks are not there for show or self mutilation theres a story/plotline behind them.

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Lieutenant of Dol Guldur

Jul 15 2013, 8:38am

Post #4 of 16 (442 views)
Exactly. It's Orc art... in a way [In reply to] Can't Post

If you look at them they're almost symmetric on both sides. Also his warg has almost the same markings. It's art... in a way. Orc Art. No bear (even Beorn) could be so artistically minded... after all why would he led Azog escape? That makes no sense. Whoever (and I think it was an "Orc artist" on Azogs behalf) did this invested a lot of time.

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Jul 15 2013, 8:42am

Post #5 of 16 (422 views)
In the 3RD World this is called [In reply to] Can't Post

Ritual Scar-ology(sp.)...
A Ceremony
where he had his torso intentionally cut into...
Showing his Victory over Pain?
Many tribes do this.

Which is still practiced TODAY?


Jul 15 2013, 8:42am

Post #6 of 16 (423 views)
Bear claws [In reply to] Can't Post

Yes but not the ones on his chest they are bigger

The facial ones are stylistic self mutilation most likely after re looking at the pics .. but not the chest scar.

Theres something to this I can feel it and Beorn is involved somehow.

“I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.”

(This post was edited by Ataahua on Jul 16 2013, 12:15am)

Lieutenant of Dol Guldur

Jul 15 2013, 9:40am

Post #7 of 16 (383 views)
They still belong to the others [In reply to] Can't Post


"There is only one Lord of the Ring, only one who can bend it to his will. And he does not share power."


Jul 15 2013, 11:47am

Post #8 of 16 (363 views)
I hate these [In reply to] Can't Post

This is my biggest complaint about Azog. I think the character is interesting, but the scars being symmetrical makes it appear as if they're stretch marks.


Jul 15 2013, 1:40pm

Post #9 of 16 (308 views)
Probaby using the same trainer as [In reply to] Can't Post

MLB baseball star Barry Bonds combined with multiple meals of HGH Tongue

Registered User

Jul 15 2013, 1:54pm

Post #10 of 16 (308 views)
the pattern on his torso [In reply to] Can't Post

and arms always looked to me like the skin had split due to unnaturally accelerated growth. [I once met a guy who said that had happened to him as a teenager.]

When I look at Azog with this in mind, I appreciate the artistry of his design.


Jul 15 2013, 2:09pm

Post #11 of 16 (292 views)
Ok, but [In reply to] Can't Post

I could buy the accelerated growth theory if they weren't on his face too.

Werde Spinner

Jul 15 2013, 5:42pm

Post #12 of 16 (249 views)
Pretty sure it says [In reply to] Can't Post

in the WETA Chronicles II book that he inflicted the scars on himself. I guess it really was to prove how tough he was, etc.

The question really is how he was able to make the scars symmetrical. That would seem a mite hard if he is right-handed or left-handed. My memory may not be working here at the moment, but methinks he used his mace with both his left and his right at different moments. If he's ambidextrous, I can buy his being able to cut himself symmetrically.

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"As he ever has judged. Good and ill have not changed since yesteryear; nor are they one thing among Elves and Dwarves and another among Men. It is a man's part to discern them, as much in the Golden Wood as in his own house."


Jul 15 2013, 6:31pm

Post #13 of 16 (266 views)
According to Page 196 of the WETA Chronicles: Creatures and Characters... [In reply to] Can't Post

"Fran decided Azog should be hairless. He has self-inflicted scars all over him that all help make him look even nastier. Orcs go in for that kind of thing. He's very cool-looking and an interesting villain" - Eric Saindon, Weta Digital Visual Effects Supervisor

As already pointed out by Werde Spinner. Smile

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(This post was edited by DanielLB on Jul 15 2013, 6:36pm)


Jul 15 2013, 7:37pm

Post #14 of 16 (215 views)
Nice [In reply to] Can't Post

At least we have the official story behind the scars now. Wish they weren't so symmetrical Frown

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Jul 16 2013, 12:15am

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Dwarves: "Pretty rings..."
Men: "Pretty rings..."
Sauron: "Mine's better."

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Jul 17 2013, 12:46am

Post #16 of 16 (131 views)
It's an extreme form of self scarification... [In reply to] Can't Post

... he's a toughie Pirate


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