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What I missed in AUJ? Ruins!

Glum
Bree

Jul 12 2013, 12:29pm

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What I missed in AUJ? Ruins! Can't Post

One thing I loved about LOTR movies was the fact that PJ and his team showed us several ruined settlements in Middle-Earth. Just take a look at the ruined Eregion building which the Fellowship passes in the mountains, surroundings of the Moria gate, Amon Hen statues, stairs and other things (I completely adore these) and ruined Ithilien buildings... (I'm not talking about places like Osgiliath or Amon Sul, because they simply had to put them in the movies). So obviously, I was expecting to see some ruins in AUJ. It would be logical - the company passes through the former kingdom of Arnor on their journey and what's more, even Tolkien himself mentioned in The Hobbit that Bilbo saw ruined buildings. Therefore, I was a bit dissapointed not to see any ruins (the house which was destroyed by the trolls doesn't count for me and we've already seen Amon Sul in FOTR)... I'm still hoping that perhaps EE might include some Arnor ruins, but something tells me it won't happen :(
What are your thoughts?


Glorfindela
Valinor


Jul 12 2013, 2:03pm

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I think you may see a few ruins in DoS. [In reply to] Can't Post

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easterlingchief1
Rivendell


Jul 12 2013, 2:21pm

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The areas they go through in AUJ aren't really full of ruins, though [In reply to] Can't Post

I understand what you mean, but the regions of Middle Earth the journey goes through doesn't really have much in the way of ruins.

For the first leg of the journey (Hobbiton to Rivendell), they're in an area that was never really heavily settled by the Numenoreans. The only real large structure that was built in that part of NW Earth was Weathertop/Amon Sul, and we got to see that for a few minutes.

The second leg of the journey goes through a very much unpopulated part of the Misty Mountains also. There's no real large settlement on the eastern side of the mountains before the Elvernking's halls and Laketown.


Glum
Bree

Jul 12 2013, 4:08pm

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I see what you mean, but how do we know that these areas were sparsely inhabited? If my knowledge of the Middle-Earth geography is right, the company goes through the former kingdoms of Cardolan and Rhudaur and these kingdoms must have had their capital cities, although they're never mentioned in Tolkien's works, mustn't they? But what Tolkien does mention is the fact that Bilbo sees ruins on their way :) So I don't think that including ruins in the movie would be out of place...


Lieutenant of Dol Guldur
Gondor


Jul 12 2013, 4:47pm

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What about Dol Guldur? Look forward to DOS [In reply to] Can't Post

In DOS you'll see much more ruins:

1) The ruins of Dale... it's a whole ruined city.

2) Erebor is also a ruin... at least the main gate.

3) The place where the Orcs fight the Elves looks like a ruin too. Perhaps a former Elven wall? Or from the people of Dale? Who knows.

4) HEAVY SPOILER: Laketown will become a ruin too Tongue

5) We'll see more of Dol Guldur which is an anchient fortress that is basically a ruin now... or at least it seems so.

6) And there is also our short trip to the tombs of Rhudaur/High Fells. Perhaps there will be more to see than these deep/dark tombs.



The ruins in LOTR were perfect symbols for the rotten kingdoms of Men and other Free Folk. Amon Sl (destroyed watchtower of Arnor), Amon Hen (once a watchpoint of Gondor), Argonath (once border of Gondor), Moria/Khazad-dm (destroyed kingdom of Dwarves), Osgiliath (destroyed former capital of Gondor). We also see a ruin after the Fellowship left Rivendell (I think it was once a fortress of Arnor or Eregion). In AUJ and TH there is no need for it because the destruction of the world isn't the topic. We only see ruins of places that belong to the story of Thorin & Co. In FOTR we've for example a short explanation what Amon Sl once was. There's no such thing in AUJ. Why? Because it's not part of this story.

In AUJ the world seems to be allright that might change now in DOS but ruins... well they represent destruction, war and death.


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(This post was edited by Lieutenant of Dol Guldur on Jul 12 2013, 4:50pm)


Fredeghar Wayfarer
Lorien


Jul 12 2013, 10:31pm

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Rhudaur and Dol Guldur [In reply to] Can't Post

The only ruins they could have shown in the first leg of the journey would have been in the Lone-lands. In the book, the ruined buildings Bilbo saw were castles and outposts of Rhudaur, one of the three Arnorian states that split apart. We see Amon Sul, as you said, but the rest of that scene is taken up by Balin's flashback so there wasn't really time to show other ruins in the area. We may see more of Rhudaur in the High Fells segment of the next movie.

What are your thoughts on Dol Guldur? That was presented as a ruin in the movie. Tolkien doesn't specifically state that it was so in the book so that was Jackson giving us a ruin. I had always pictured it as a fully operational fortress but the idea of Sauron inhabiting a ruined and abandoned Elvish tower, decrepit and moss-ridden and overcome by corrupted nature, is an interesting one.


redgiraffe
Rohan

Jul 13 2013, 2:42am

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I miss that too [In reply to] Can't Post

That was one of the things that kind of gave more weight and history to Middle Earth in LOTR. Another ruin was the large stone head that Frodo walks by before Boromir tries to take the ring. And then the Statue behind Boromir when he's getting shot by arrows.

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