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Jul 11 2013, 10:21am

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Note also that such a shift would not affect the Sindarin forms substantially, since both g‑ and ñ‑ at the beginning of a Primitive word give g‑ in Sindarin (except in compounds and other constructions); but it is different in Quenya, since in this tongue ñ‑ gave n‑. So related words in Quenya should start with n‑, as seen in the true Quenya name of Galadriel, stated to be Ñaltariel (in post-exilic Quenya it would be Naltariel, as Ñoldor became Noldor, etc.), although she was given the name Altariel by influence of Alatāriel(lë), its form in Telerin, the language in which her name was first devised.

This is from the essay and quite correct.

I annoyingly add that Tolkien's idea was that 'Telporno' gave Galadriel her Telerin nickname in Aman in this conception, but this assumes Celeborn was a Teler of Aman, not -- as Tolkien himself had already twice published -- a Sinda of Beleriand.

So while I accept Naltariel as the true Quenya form, in my head Celeborn the Sindarin Elf would have only 'named' Galadriel in Beleriand. The Sindarin makes sense there -- but I note Tolkien's late letter were he seems, at least, to again be thinking in terms of a version of this nickname arising in Aman [which if so, in itself also makes sense of course, in any case].

Now that's some of my best blathering :bows:

Drat. Some of the special letters came out wrong.

(This post was edited by Elthir on Jul 11 2013, 10:28am)

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