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On a boat!


Jul 8 2013, 10:58pm

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1. Later in the sequence it becomes apparent that this is Smeagol remembering the past. Do you think he is a reliable narrator? If not, what particulars do you think hes changed? Why?

It's certainly the memory that is closest to the truth. Perhaps it's a way to show that Smeagol is still there, even though by this point, Gollum has somewhat taken of direction of the expedition.

2. According to the commentaries Fran Walsh deliberately directed this scene with the actors behaving in a slightly childlike manner. Why do you suppose she would do that? BTW, do you see anything distinctive about Fran's directing style?

They are obviously young hobbits that aren't very mature, enter the Ring of Power and suddenly you have someone easily seduced by it. However, also as described in the books, he's ultimately not much of a servant for Sauron, except as a spy and a sneak. Fran sees these boys as children in grown-up bodies.

3. Do you think Smeagol and Deagol were as firm friends as Frodo and Sam? How does this scene foreshadow the coming rocky ROTK relationship between Frodo and Sam? Why does the friendship of Frodo and Sam not end as tragically as that of Smeagol and Deagol? Could it have?

No, they were probably more like fishing buddies, and more mischievous, which led to their undoing. Plus Smeagol must have always been a bit touched in the head to start. However, Frodo and Sam had the benefit of being from a much more civilized culture, and their moral compass was more fixed. It might have led to something like this, but as the book proves out, they were pretty strong individuals.

4. Why a boat? Mostly a reminder of where the Ring was lost, and that his folk lived there.

5. Any other comments? I like what was said above about Smeagol already being pale and sickly looking. Maybe he was always that way in the tribe, and envied the more robust hobbits, in the same way a bullied kid plots revenge against his antagonists.

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SCOD - I'm On A Boat! Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone Jul 1 2013, 1:24pm
    Two hobbits in a boat FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome Jul 1 2013, 10:00pm
    gone fishin' batik Send a private message to batik Jul 4 2013, 6:30pm
    SCOD-I'm on a boat willowing Send a private message to willowing Jul 5 2013, 10:13pm
    Smeagol / Deagol Loresilme Send a private message to Loresilme Jul 6 2013, 1:51pm
        Freinds Yngwulff Send a private message to Yngwulff Jul 7 2013, 3:57am
    On a boat! Rostron2 Send a private message to Rostron2 Jul 8 2013, 10:58pm


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