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What is 'the trap' at Dol Guldur?

nhui06
Rivendell

Jul 7 2013, 3:10pm

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In the trailer, we see Radagast ask Gandalf 'What if it is a trap'? It got me thinking about the Thrain angle again. In the Empire article, Peter hinted that there will be a father-son theme in this next movie. Perhaps in the Prologue we see Thrain wanting to follow Azog into Moria to finish him off to avenge his father, but he wants his son Thorin to carry off his legacy in Erebor, so he gives Gandalf the map and key, and asks Gandalf not to tell Thorin about him going to kill Azog (since he knows he may fail and die). This is to protect his son.

Flash forward to present, and the Necromencer wants the same map and key to enter Erebor to ambush and capture Smaug, so he has Thrain as a hostage to lure Thorin back (but instead he gets Gandalf). We also find out Azog and Bolg are agents of the Necromencer, hence why Thrain was brought to Dol Guldur.

Thoughts?


FlameOFtheWEST
The Shire


Jul 7 2013, 4:09pm

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In the Vlog there is a part where they show glipses of the Dol Goldur scene and in one of them you can see Thrain leading Gandalf somewhere in Dol Goldur. In Unfinished Tales it was Thrain that gave Gandalf the map and key and it was in Dol Goldur. It could be a flashback to when Gandalf got the key.

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Lieutenant of Dol Guldur
Gondor


Jul 7 2013, 4:58pm

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I don't think the Necromancer needs a key to enter the Erebor [In reply to] Can't Post

also I don't think that he wants to capture Smaug. How? He wants to use Smaug as a weapon. At least Gandalf fears so.

"There is only one Lord of the Ring, only one who can bend it to his will. And he does not share power."


The Mitch King
Rohan


Jul 7 2013, 11:41pm

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Hmmm I think it will be orcs with Bolg attacking Gandalf when he meets Thrain in the dungeons which are controlled by Bolg personally. Could be a Nazgul though...or Thrain himself.


Ziggy Stardust
Gondor


Jul 8 2013, 1:40am

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It's probably something so evil, so malignant and diabolical, no one dare speak its name. It is set by Sauron after all. The trap could be anywhere between something evil and sadistic, using Thrain as bait, or it could be something as bad as being locked up with the Kardashians, Justin Bieber, Lindsay Lohan, and Kanye. Wink I think that would be torture enough.


Yngwulff
Gondor


Jul 8 2013, 8:22am

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the partially finished but operational death star and half the imperial fleet

oops wrong film

orcs would really pose little threat to two maiar

they seem to be emphasizing the tombs of the nazgul being empty at one point so based upon that i would say its the nazgul

I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.



AinurOlorin
Half-elven


Jul 8 2013, 8:23am

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First Thrain, then orcs (who fail badly), finally The Nine, sent when the true important and powerful [In reply to] Can't Post

nature of the potential prey is made manifest.

I think it would be, from a cinematic and momentum standpoint, one of the biggest misses in the films to not take what already is given to exist in the actual novels and translate it to film, i.e. Gandalf doing battle with The Nine Nazgul, only transposed to Dol Guldur rather than Amon Sul.

"I galloped to Weathertop like a gale. . . they drew back before me, for they felt the coming of my anger and they dared not face it whilst the Sun was in the Sky. But at night they closed in. . . I was besieged on the hill top in the old ring of Amon Sul. . . I was hard put to it indeed. Such light and flame cannot have been seen on Weathertop since the warbeacons of olde! At dawn I escaped and fled North. .. It was impossible to find you in the wilderness, Frodo, and it would have been folly to try with ALL the Nine at my heels." (of course largely explaining why the Nine seemed diminished in their confrontation with Aragorn.


As Aragorn and Frodo see the lightning flashes of Gandalf's magic in the book from afar, so Radagast might see the lightning and the beacon-like brilliance and realize that his kinsSpirit is in dire straits, thus taking the signal to return and provide an escape vehicle.

THAT would be the most aweome variant I could hope for from this scene in this film.

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In the trailer, we see Radagast ask Gandalf 'What if it is a trap'? It got me thinking about the Thrain angle again. In the Empire article, Peter hinted that there will be a father-son theme in this next movie. Perhaps in the Prologue we see Thrain wanting to follow Azog into Moria to finish him off to avenge his father, but he wants his son Thorin to carry off his legacy in Erebor, so he gives Gandalf the map and key, and asks Gandalf not to tell Thorin about him going to kill Azog (since he knows he may fail and die). This is to protect his son.

Flash forward to present, and the Necromencer wants the same map and key to enter Erebor to ambush and capture Smaug, so he has Thrain as a hostage to lure Thorin back (but instead he gets Gandalf). We also find out Azog and Bolg are agents of the Necromencer, hence why Thrain was brought to Dol Guldur.

Thoughts?


"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!"

"Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."


AinurOlorin
Half-elven


Jul 8 2013, 8:32am

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Agreed. I think there will be a Bolg and Gandalf confrontation, and if there is any propriety in these films [In reply to] Can't Post

Bolg will get his ass handed to him, but The Nine will show up before Bolg is able to be killed, and then the real fireworks will begin. Hopefully. I would have to walk away in shame (as in leave the theatre) if just Bolg and his orcboys were the dreadful challenge for Gandalf The Gray.

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the partially finished but operational death star and half the imperial fleet

oops wrong film

orcs would really pose little threat to two maiar

they seem to be emphasizing the tombs of the nazgul being empty at one point so based upon that i would say its the nazgul


"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!"

"Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."


DwellerInDale
Rohan


Jul 8 2013, 11:25am

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Thanks for the torture ideas, Ziggy [In reply to] Can't Post

I'll pass them along to Tauriel for use in her orc interrogation scene!


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It's probably something so evil, so malignant and diabolical, no one dare speak its name. It is set by Sauron after all. The trap could be anywhere between something evil and sadistic, using Thrain as bait, or it could be something as bad as being locked up with the Kardashians, Justin Bieber, Lindsay Lohan, and Kanye. Wink I think that would be torture enough.


Don't mess with my favorite female elf.




Ziggy Stardust
Gondor


Jul 9 2013, 12:54am

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LOL! [In reply to] Can't Post

Laugh No matter how much fear Gandalf and Radagast might have for the Necromancer, at least they won't run away. They'll stay and fight! Cool But the Kardashians and them? Even Gandalf and Radagast wouldn't want to deal with them. Nor the orcs. But will Tauriel have patience enough to use them as torture for the orcs? Laugh


(This post was edited by Ziggy Stardust on Jul 9 2013, 12:55am)


Arandir
Gondor


Jul 9 2013, 12:39pm

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if they decided to show a confrontation between Gandalf and the Ringwraiths I'd be stunned! (in a good way of course) Laugh

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