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Don't forget scaling!

DwellerInDale
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Jul 7 2013, 5:31am


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Don't forget scaling! [In reply to] Can't Post

One of the most important factors in the physics of being a Dwarf or Hobbit is the scaling principle, Galileo's "square-cube" law. Mass scales as the cube of linear dimension, while area (including cross-sectional area of bone and muscle, and therefore strength) scales as the square of linear dimension. Thus a Hobbit half as tall as a human and having the same shape weighs only one eighth as much, and is proportionally stronger than a human. Since momentum = mv with m = mass and v = velocity, a Dwarf of Hobbit can survive a crash much more easily than a human. As I've posted before, this explains why little kids can take falls that would seriously injure an adult. As a kid I watched my brother climb high up into a tree, then use his little saw to saw off one of the tree limbs- unfortunately, the limb he was hanging onto (brother wasn't the sharpest tool in the box). He fell straight down out of the tree onto his back but was unhurt. Dweller was also at a party a while back where kids were playing around upstairs while the adults were downstairs, and one kid (10 years old) fell out a second storey window. He was scared but otherwise OK, and in fact was bragging about it the next day!

Don't mess with my favorite female elf.




(This post was edited by DwellerInDale on Jul 7 2013, 5:32am)

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The Number one ridiculous problem with AUJ to me The Mitch King Send a private message to The Mitch King Jul 6 2013, 12:31am
    why all the recent hate here for AUJ? MouthofSauron Send a private message to MouthofSauron Jul 6 2013, 1:19am
        It's the opposite to me...funny world we live in jtarkey Send a private message to jtarkey Jul 6 2013, 2:07am
            that might be true about the users on this forum but.. MouthofSauron Send a private message to MouthofSauron Jul 6 2013, 3:22am
                Come on now... jtarkey Send a private message to jtarkey Jul 6 2013, 3:26am
                    and.... MouthofSauron Send a private message to MouthofSauron Jul 6 2013, 3:30am
                        Hmmm... jtarkey Send a private message to jtarkey Jul 6 2013, 4:01am
                    yes and your point? MouthofSauron Send a private message to MouthofSauron Jul 6 2013, 6:36am
                It's not the action scenes The Mitch King Send a private message to The Mitch King Jul 6 2013, 4:03am
                    Exactly. jtarkey Send a private message to jtarkey Jul 6 2013, 4:09am
                    wait what? lol MouthofSauron Send a private message to MouthofSauron Jul 6 2013, 6:07am
                        This is awkward The Mitch King Send a private message to The Mitch King Jul 6 2013, 6:12am
                            i believe this is what you said... MouthofSauron Send a private message to MouthofSauron Jul 6 2013, 6:23am
                                Haha The Mitch King Send a private message to The Mitch King Jul 6 2013, 6:47am
                                Even fantasy films need to keep somewhat grounded Otaku-sempai Send a private message to Otaku-sempai Jul 6 2013, 8:14pm
                                    I wrote a similar longer post ElendilTheShort Send a private message to ElendilTheShort Jul 6 2013, 8:31pm
                                    i wasn't saying it should be "looney tunes" MouthofSauron Send a private message to MouthofSauron Jul 6 2013, 9:44pm
                                        Fantasy vs. Reality Otaku-sempai Send a private message to Otaku-sempai Jul 7 2013, 12:23am
                                        Not fantasy. Bumblingidiot Send a private message to Bumblingidiot Jul 7 2013, 4:04am
                                            Nicely written Bumblingidiot ElendilTheShort Send a private message to ElendilTheShort Jul 7 2013, 5:54am
                                            yes it is a fantasy film because there are... MouthofSauron Send a private message to MouthofSauron Jul 7 2013, 6:26am
                                                I dont think he meant Elenorflower Send a private message to Elenorflower Jul 7 2013, 11:02am
                                                MouthofSauron, I just noticed your rude, condescending reply. Bumblingidiot Send a private message to Bumblingidiot Jul 16 2013, 7:02pm
                                                    it wasn't a insult it was stating facts MouthofSauron Send a private message to MouthofSauron Jul 17 2013, 5:54am
                                                        Let's move on entmaiden Send a private message to entmaiden Jul 17 2013, 1:17pm
                No need to keep score ;-) (general comments) Altaira Send a private message to Altaira Jul 6 2013, 3:22pm
                No offense meant but... Sinister71 Send a private message to Sinister71 Jul 8 2013, 3:05am
                    and.... MouthofSauron Send a private message to MouthofSauron Jul 8 2013, 3:38am
                        Look at it from the point of view of never having read any Tolkien Yngwulff Send a private message to Yngwulff Jul 8 2013, 3:56am
                            I agree The Mitch King Send a private message to The Mitch King Jul 8 2013, 4:14am
                                Wow... Thranderz Send a private message to Thranderz Jul 8 2013, 8:35am
                                    Perhaps when we get all 3 together on EE and with commentary Yngwulff Send a private message to Yngwulff Jul 8 2013, 8:50am
                        and Lusitano Send a private message to Lusitano Jul 8 2013, 12:18pm
                            seriously? MouthofSauron Send a private message to MouthofSauron Jul 8 2013, 5:43pm
                                Judge not another fandom, whether or not ye be judged by it. bungobaggins Send a private message to bungobaggins Jul 8 2013, 5:54pm
                                    is that a quote from... MouthofSauron Send a private message to MouthofSauron Jul 9 2013, 3:55am
                                        It's from bungobaggins Send a private message to bungobaggins Jul 9 2013, 5:12am
                                            i treat people fine on this forum MouthofSauron Send a private message to MouthofSauron Jul 9 2013, 6:10pm
                                                I was referring to bungobaggins Send a private message to bungobaggins Jul 9 2013, 6:45pm
                                They weren't comparing Twilight directly to The Hobbit, sauget.diblosio Send a private message to sauget.diblosio Jul 8 2013, 6:07pm
                                    There are many ways for a movie to succeed or fail. Escapist Send a private message to Escapist Jul 8 2013, 6:41pm
                            The differences between Twilight and th:AUJ are target audience and consistency of criticism. Escapist Send a private message to Escapist Jul 8 2013, 5:48pm
                        one point though Sinister71 Send a private message to Sinister71 Jul 8 2013, 1:58pm
                            That seems to go against the way things unfolded DwellerInDale Send a private message to DwellerInDale Jul 8 2013, 2:46pm
                            I suppose the proof of that.... dormouse Send a private message to dormouse Jul 8 2013, 2:54pm
                                we'll just have to wait and see... Sinister71 Send a private message to Sinister71 Jul 8 2013, 3:26pm
                                    i agreed Lusitano Send a private message to Lusitano Jul 8 2013, 3:30pm
                                        In all honesty Sinister71 Send a private message to Sinister71 Jul 8 2013, 3:45pm
                                            right Lusitano Send a private message to Lusitano Jul 8 2013, 4:13pm
                                                maybe the rising cost Elenorflower Send a private message to Elenorflower Jul 8 2013, 4:58pm
                                                    bungobaggins Lusitano Send a private message to Lusitano Jul 8 2013, 8:02pm
                                                        I can honestly say Elenorflower Send a private message to Elenorflower Jul 8 2013, 10:39pm
                                                            The Bourne Boredom Lusitano Send a private message to Lusitano Jul 8 2013, 10:53pm
                                                Yep, and also bungobaggins Send a private message to bungobaggins Jul 8 2013, 5:22pm
                                    Has it occurred to you... dormouse Send a private message to dormouse Jul 8 2013, 4:05pm
                                        I never give my opinion or show emotion about the film Sinister71 Send a private message to Sinister71 Jul 8 2013, 4:19pm
                                            I'm guessing it's going to do just as well, sauget.diblosio Send a private message to sauget.diblosio Jul 8 2013, 5:04pm
                                                I can honestly say Sinister71 Send a private message to Sinister71 Jul 8 2013, 5:12pm
                                                    What I would find illuminating... arithmancer Send a private message to arithmancer Jul 8 2013, 5:20pm
                                    To be fair Elessar Send a private message to Elessar Jul 8 2013, 8:00pm
                                        I'm not talking about boards or forums Sinister71 Send a private message to Sinister71 Jul 8 2013, 8:26pm
                                            The people I have mentioned Elessar Send a private message to Elessar Jul 8 2013, 8:54pm
                            really? MouthofSauron Send a private message to MouthofSauron Jul 9 2013, 3:53am
                                There is some element of the concept of 'fantasy' that you seemingly fail to understand Otaku-sempai Send a private message to Otaku-sempai Jul 9 2013, 1:46pm
                                    wow... MouthofSauron Send a private message to MouthofSauron Jul 9 2013, 6:18pm
                                        Over-the-top elements in Tolkien and the films Otaku-sempai Send a private message to Otaku-sempai Jul 10 2013, 12:38pm
                    I kind of loathe Elessar Send a private message to Elessar Jul 8 2013, 3:55am
            Spot on, jtarkey! Altaira Send a private message to Altaira Jul 6 2013, 3:09pm
        Hmmmm The Mitch King Send a private message to The Mitch King Jul 6 2013, 3:05am
        There was no "Stone Giants sequence" in the book... jtarkey Send a private message to jtarkey Jul 6 2013, 3:23am
            Went to find my book ... *BOOK SPOILER* Escapist Send a private message to Escapist Jul 6 2013, 3:37am
        I think it's pretty balanced. Aragorn the Elfstone Send a private message to Aragorn the Elfstone Jul 6 2013, 6:38am
            agreed and another thing to consider MouthofSauron Send a private message to MouthofSauron Jul 6 2013, 6:44am
                C'mon! The Mitch King Send a private message to The Mitch King Jul 6 2013, 6:52am
                    Sorry, Mitch, I'm responsible for this deviation... Aragorn the Elfstone Send a private message to Aragorn the Elfstone Jul 6 2013, 7:06am
                        No prob The Mitch King Send a private message to The Mitch King Jul 6 2013, 7:35am
                    i wasn't responding to you MouthofSauron Send a private message to MouthofSauron Jul 6 2013, 7:32am
                Agreed on the first - Agree to disagree on the second ;) Aragorn the Elfstone Send a private message to Aragorn the Elfstone Jul 6 2013, 7:02am
        Got to admit I've lost the will to argue back emre43 Send a private message to emre43 Jul 6 2013, 7:21am
            i tend to agree with you MouthofSauron Send a private message to MouthofSauron Jul 6 2013, 7:37am
                I WILL BE! The Mitch King Send a private message to The Mitch King Jul 6 2013, 7:45am
                    i'm with you brother MouthofSauron Send a private message to MouthofSauron Jul 6 2013, 7:49am
                        As will I... jtarkey Send a private message to jtarkey Jul 6 2013, 9:48am
                            This is how LOTR is unrealistic Chopsta123 Send a private message to Chopsta123 Jul 6 2013, 9:57am
                                His point was the comparison of the two I think The Mitch King Send a private message to The Mitch King Jul 6 2013, 10:01am
                                    The above post was meant in a funny way. Chopsta123 Send a private message to Chopsta123 Jul 6 2013, 10:07am
                                        This is a fact The Mitch King Send a private message to The Mitch King Jul 6 2013, 4:46pm
                            Polar opposites DwellerInDale Send a private message to DwellerInDale Jul 6 2013, 10:26am
                                Could you, or anyone you know do any of those things in real life? jtarkey Send a private message to jtarkey Jul 6 2013, 10:34am
                                    Yes DwellerInDale Send a private message to DwellerInDale Jul 6 2013, 11:11am
                                        VERY much looking forward to the discussion! // Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Jul 6 2013, 5:01pm
                                        ...and why Dads should leave skateboarding to the kids? Ataahua Send a private message to Ataahua Jul 6 2013, 10:05pm
                                        Your crash The Mitch King Send a private message to The Mitch King Jul 6 2013, 10:21pm
                                            Don't forget scaling! DwellerInDale Send a private message to DwellerInDale Jul 7 2013, 5:31am
                                    Not so much stone giants as GOBlin Town, but Lusitano Send a private message to Lusitano Jul 6 2013, 2:59pm
                                        that the most accurate description of Elenorflower Send a private message to Elenorflower Jul 6 2013, 3:17pm
                                            Indeed Lusitano Send a private message to Lusitano Jul 6 2013, 3:34pm
                                            . bungobaggins Send a private message to bungobaggins Jul 6 2013, 3:38pm
                            The polar opposite of LOTR? I don't think so. Glorfindela Send a private message to Glorfindela Jul 6 2013, 1:31pm
                            again.. MouthofSauron Send a private message to MouthofSauron Jul 6 2013, 5:46pm
        I have noticed that too Marionette Send a private message to Marionette Jul 6 2013, 7:57pm
        AUJ > KingTurgon Send a private message to KingTurgon Jul 8 2013, 2:41pm
            why are people called haters when... Sinister71 Send a private message to Sinister71 Jul 8 2013, 3:04pm
                because blind fandom Lusitano Send a private message to Lusitano Jul 8 2013, 3:27pm
                    We could say bungobaggins Send a private message to bungobaggins Jul 8 2013, 3:33pm
                        You cant handle the HATE !! Lusitano Send a private message to Lusitano Jul 8 2013, 3:44pm
            agreed! it has a far higher replay factor MouthofSauron Send a private message to MouthofSauron Jul 8 2013, 5:45pm
        . kbdiggity Send a private message to kbdiggity Jul 10 2013, 8:15am
    There's definitely a ledge... Elutherian Send a private message to Elutherian Jul 6 2013, 1:22am
    ledges... Nira Send a private message to Nira Jul 6 2013, 2:38am
        That's the problem though... jtarkey Send a private message to jtarkey Jul 6 2013, 2:54am
    Physics, and the description of scenes growing in the telling DwellerInDale Send a private message to DwellerInDale Jul 6 2013, 3:33am
        well The Mitch King Send a private message to The Mitch King Jul 6 2013, 3:57am
            No, Thorin and Bilbo happened directly afterward DwellerInDale Send a private message to DwellerInDale Jul 6 2013, 4:18am
                My bad on Thorin and Bilbo The Mitch King Send a private message to The Mitch King Jul 6 2013, 4:58am
                    Impact factor DwellerInDale Send a private message to DwellerInDale Jul 6 2013, 5:27am
                        Stone giant sequence Yngwulff Send a private message to Yngwulff Jul 6 2013, 5:36am
                        hmmm The Mitch King Send a private message to The Mitch King Jul 6 2013, 5:47am
                            yes, your confusing colliding with falling i'm afraid MouthofSauron Send a private message to MouthofSauron Jul 6 2013, 6:11am
                                Actually collision is worse for your case The Mitch King Send a private message to The Mitch King Jul 6 2013, 6:17am
                                    yes but this is a Fantasy film MouthofSauron Send a private message to MouthofSauron Jul 6 2013, 6:31am
                                        ermmmm The Mitch King Send a private message to The Mitch King Jul 6 2013, 6:58am
                                            like i've said MouthofSauron Send a private message to MouthofSauron Jul 6 2013, 7:34am
                                                You're missing me in a big way I think The Mitch King Send a private message to The Mitch King Jul 6 2013, 7:42am
                                                    no, there's nothing wrong with it MouthofSauron Send a private message to MouthofSauron Jul 6 2013, 7:45am
            It's only ridiculous.... dormouse Send a private message to dormouse Jul 6 2013, 8:59am
                OK that's all well taken BUT The Mitch King Send a private message to The Mitch King Jul 6 2013, 9:11am
                    Your right about this scene being ridiculous Chopsta123 Send a private message to Chopsta123 Jul 6 2013, 9:49am
                        I didn't forget it was a fantasy! The Mitch King Send a private message to The Mitch King Jul 6 2013, 9:57am
                    Thing is, you asked why this 'ridiculous scene' dormouse Send a private message to dormouse Jul 6 2013, 10:57am
                        Totally agree Dormouse Noria Send a private message to Noria Jul 6 2013, 12:22pm
                I'm with ya Elessar Send a private message to Elessar Jul 7 2013, 3:51pm
        Sounds interesting but Soundchaser Send a private message to Soundchaser Jul 6 2013, 4:36pm
        I await your analysis but I too did not care for the toooo over the top Eruonen Send a private message to Eruonen Jul 8 2013, 2:55am
    Never thought Elessar Send a private message to Elessar Jul 6 2013, 5:01am
    I seriously doubt that anyone would Elenorflower Send a private message to Elenorflower Jul 6 2013, 10:48am
    AUJ is not unique in cinema The Grey Elf Send a private message to The Grey Elf Jul 6 2013, 2:12pm
    Don't forget this movie is Bilbo's RETELLING his story to Frodo...there will be PLENTY of over-the-top embellishments along the way // nobofthepony Send a private message to nobofthepony Jul 6 2013, 4:57pm
    It took me a long time to figure out the stone giants scene. Werde Spinner Send a private message to Werde Spinner Jul 6 2013, 5:43pm
        BUTTTT! The Mitch King Send a private message to The Mitch King Jul 6 2013, 5:59pm
            No, not the superheroes. Werde Spinner Send a private message to Werde Spinner Jul 6 2013, 7:52pm
            even Indiana Jones Elenorflower Send a private message to Elenorflower Jul 6 2013, 10:39pm
        Please read upward... DwellerInDale Send a private message to DwellerInDale Jul 6 2013, 6:08pm
            Oh, I type fast Werde Spinner Send a private message to Werde Spinner Jul 6 2013, 8:03pm
    Company Reaction. Dwarvenfury Send a private message to Dwarvenfury Jul 6 2013, 9:25pm
    Disagree... arithmancer Send a private message to arithmancer Jul 6 2013, 9:46pm
    Though there are other things that bother me much more in AUJ, sauget.diblosio Send a private message to sauget.diblosio Jul 7 2013, 1:30pm
        Bomby's View? Bombadil Send a private message to Bombadil Jul 7 2013, 2:54pm
    Here we go again // Rostron2 Send a private message to Rostron2 Jul 8 2013, 5:14pm
    Pulling out the "hater" card. . . (?) g-stormcrow Jul 8 2013, 11:27pm
        Defense, Resistance & Delusion Lusitano Send a private message to Lusitano Jul 9 2013, 12:44am
            I thought the stone giants were done rather well Sinister71 Send a private message to Sinister71 Jul 9 2013, 1:15am
                I wanted to see the Stone Giants Elenorflower Send a private message to Elenorflower Jul 9 2013, 10:46am
            This video may shed some light bungobaggins Send a private message to bungobaggins Jul 9 2013, 2:35am
                accurate Lusitano Send a private message to Lusitano Jul 9 2013, 12:58pm
            Gandalf's Magic JWPlatt Jul 9 2013, 4:14am
                It is a pity Lusitano Send a private message to Lusitano Jul 9 2013, 12:56pm
        Nice Post JWPlatt Jul 9 2013, 4:20am
            The Principal Interest Elessar Send a private message to Elessar Jul 9 2013, 4:26am
                The Principal Interest(s) . . . ? g-stormcrow Jul 9 2013, 7:13am
                    Two Sides To Each Coin DwellerInDale Send a private message to DwellerInDale Jul 9 2013, 11:52am
                        Absolutely! However, . . . g-stormcrow Jul 9 2013, 11:04pm
                    I couldnt have said it better myself Lusitano Send a private message to Lusitano Jul 9 2013, 1:00pm
                        Thanks!!! g-stormcrow Jul 10 2013, 1:16am
                    Clarity Elessar Send a private message to Elessar Jul 9 2013, 3:38pm
                        Further clarification . . . g-stormcrow Jul 10 2013, 12:51am
                            A little more from me Elessar Send a private message to Elessar Jul 10 2013, 5:06am
                                More than one "crossed wire" . . . (?) g-stormcrow Jul 10 2013, 9:15pm
                    You're not just speaking for yourself - geordie Send a private message to geordie Jul 9 2013, 5:17pm
                        Thanks! g-stormcrow Jul 10 2013, 12:54am
                    All's Well JWPlatt Jul 9 2013, 6:48pm
            We try to be even-handed about the application of the TOS. Ataahua Send a private message to Ataahua Jul 9 2013, 6:09am
                Passion JWPlatt Jul 9 2013, 6:41pm
                    Totally agree . . . g-stormcrow Jul 10 2013, 1:10am
                        Passions About Tolkien Versus Jackson JWPlatt Jul 10 2013, 3:24am
                            I agree - geordie Send a private message to geordie Jul 10 2013, 6:24am
                            TORN does have a reputation for being movie and Jackson friendly and (in Thorin's words) what of it? Noria Send a private message to Noria Jul 10 2013, 1:08pm
                                We do have a very active Reading Room entmaiden Send a private message to entmaiden Jul 10 2013, 3:32pm
                                    Thanks for the invite . . . g-stormcrow Jul 10 2013, 9:28pm
                                        No, just an observation entmaiden Send a private message to entmaiden Jul 10 2013, 9:56pm
                                Definitely no apologies! Altaira Send a private message to Altaira Jul 10 2013, 6:53pm
                                    This is the kind of stuff I'm talking about . . . g-stormcrow Jul 10 2013, 9:25pm
                                        We typically don't over-parse our discussions entmaiden Send a private message to entmaiden Jul 10 2013, 10:00pm
                                        Whoa! Dude, hit the reset button Altaira Send a private message to Altaira Jul 11 2013, 5:42am
                                            Well, just call me a nomadic dwarf half-invited to tea and disregard the bull g-stormcrow Jul 11 2013, 2:12pm
                                                im curious AncalagontheBlack Send a private message to AncalagontheBlack Jul 11 2013, 2:20pm
                                                    Straight answer g-stormcrow Jul 11 2013, 3:40pm
                                                        my thoughts AncalagontheBlack Send a private message to AncalagontheBlack Jul 11 2013, 4:31pm
                                                            Thank you, too g-stormcrow Jul 11 2013, 8:36pm
                                                    I agree. Nothing is going to be changed at this point. Noria Send a private message to Noria Jul 11 2013, 8:25pm
                                                        Isn't it nice g-stormcrow Jul 11 2013, 8:45pm
                                                The nomadic dward is most welcome Altaira Send a private message to Altaira Jul 11 2013, 3:07pm
                                                    Definitely no bull g-stormcrow Jul 11 2013, 5:15pm
                                                        It's obvious Altaira Send a private message to Altaira Jul 11 2013, 9:20pm
                                                            No delusions or agendas here (I think) g-stormcrow Jul 11 2013, 10:05pm
                                                            Players JWPlatt Jul 14 2013, 6:02am
                I appreciate it . . . g-stormcrow Jul 10 2013, 1:23am
    A reminder to all to comment on the topic, not on other board members. Ataahua Send a private message to Ataahua Jul 9 2013, 6:08am

 
 
 

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