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The Mitch King
Rohan
Jul 6 2013, 6:12am
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when did the dwarves fall hundreds of feet as a result of the stone giants?? they fell with one of the stone giants but they were holding on to it while it fell lol. Please watch the scene again, no dwarf fell a hundred feet and survived. I have never said "the dwarves fell hundreds of feet as the result of the stone giants". I watched the whole movie today so I'm not sure what you are driving at? You have completely missed my point.
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The Mitch King
Rohan
Jul 6 2013, 6:17am
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Actually collision is worse for your case
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a stone giant collided with a side of the misty mountains. the dwarves were not crushed because it clearly showed that they survived the collision by falling into a hollowed out side of rock and were spared being crushed to death. I would rather fall a hundred feet than be between a mountain side and a relatively fast moving giant made of stone on a collision course! How fortunate that they all landed perfectly ok! Inertia would have been awfully rough on them. The whole mountain side would have been pulverized! It wasn't a touchy impact or maybe I missed something?
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MouthofSauron
Tol Eressea
Jul 6 2013, 6:23am
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i believe this is what you said...
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"Tolkien never threw his characters hundreds of feet right?" All due respect to your degree and majors in laws of physics but these are FANTASY films not historical films or films which are trying to emulate reality. I mean geesh, where in the laws of physics can a wizard turn a pinecone into flames? I mean if we are going by laws of physics than yeah there are 1,000 things that could never happen in AUJ.
take me down to the woodland realm where the trees are green and the elf women are pretty....Oh will you please take me home!!
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MouthofSauron
Tol Eressea
Jul 6 2013, 6:31am
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yes but this is a Fantasy film
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not a reality based film. I highly doubt a giant rock like that could move 87,000 miles per hour. Watch the scene again, the stone giant was falling slowly and after the impact the dwarves & bilbo were in a hollowed out piece in the side of the stone giant and they fell onto a ledge not against the side of the misty mountains.
take me down to the woodland realm where the trees are green and the elf women are pretty....Oh will you please take me home!!
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MouthofSauron
Tol Eressea
Jul 6 2013, 6:36am
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my point is that both of those things are no more over-the-top than anything seen in AUJ. Actually if anything they are more over-the-top than anything seen in AUJ.
take me down to the woodland realm where the trees are green and the elf women are pretty....Oh will you please take me home!!
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Aragorn the Elfstone
Tol Eressea
Jul 6 2013, 6:38am
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Depending on which side of the fence each of us are on, the opposite viewpoint is obviously going to feel a bit more pronounced. Speaking for myself, I quite enjoy An Unexpected Journey. Though, to be honest, it did let me down a bit on my first viewing. I went in expecting The Lord of the Rings-level cinema, even though I should have known better (given the tone of the source material). But the film ended up being a lot more light and whimsical than I expected (despite the darker elements brought into the adaptation). It took a while to separate An Unexpected Journey, as it is, from the movie I expected it to be. Now I enjoy it quite a lot on its own terms. Though I never have gotten over the decision to split two films into three. I suspect some of my lingering issues with the film may be alleviated once I see The Desolation of Smaug. But yes, indeed, there are those of us here who like the film quite a lot. But it is downtime between movies, and I personally am invested in a number of other books, movies, tv shows, etc. at the moment (over the past couple months, Game of Thrones had been occupying my psyche ).
"All men dream; but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds awake to find that it was vanity; But the dreamers of day are dangerous men. That they may act their dreams with open eyes to make it possible." - T.E. Lawrence
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MouthofSauron
Tol Eressea
Jul 6 2013, 6:44am
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agreed and another thing to consider
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on my first viewing i was slightly disappointed too but i realized that these films are not supposed to be LOTR's copies, this is a completely different story which is set in the same world so it should have a different feel than LOTR's. After viewing the film a few times i can say it has a much better re-watch factor than FOTR. -Not that FOTR is not as good it just takes longer for that film to start moving.
take me down to the woodland realm where the trees are green and the elf women are pretty....Oh will you please take me home!!
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The Mitch King
Rohan
Jul 6 2013, 6:58am
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not a reality based film. I highly doubt a giant rock like that could move 87,000 miles per hour. Watch the scene again, the stone giant was falling slowly and after the impact the dwarves & bilbo were in a hollowed out piece in the side of the stone giant and they fell onto a ledge not against the side of the misty mountains. The rock doesn't need to be moving 87,000 mph to kill and destroy haha just because you doubt the idea of a stone moving that fast doesn't make it a reality. In fact reality tell us large things can and do move faster than bullets!(see astronomy) As I pointed out already, the large scaling of the scene gives the illusion of slow motion but that doesn't mean therefore it is slow-motion. If you were standing on the giant it would be an incredible ride. Don't forget it was wet and windy which doesn't help. The chance of them all surviving(for the sake of argument and fun) is just astronomically improbable! Lets not delude ourselves!
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Aragorn the Elfstone
Tol Eressea
Jul 6 2013, 7:02am
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Agreed on the first - Agree to disagree on the second ;)
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I worship FotR (as well as the other two films), so the rewatch factor for it knows no bounds as far as I'm concerned. That said, despite my initial disappointment, I have found that An Unexpected Journey is insanely rewatchable. A lot of the film's critics have lambasted the opening 'Unexpected Party' scenes, but I adore them (they're actually my favorite part of the film). Once all the dwarves come knocking on Bilbo's door, I'm in for the whole ride. I definitely agree with what you said about the film's not being LotR "copies". AUJ has a very different feel, and I believe it's supposed to. Like I said, though, it was just very off-putting the first time I saw it though. After 9 years of anticipation, I think that was bound to happen for me. On a side note, I will say that I've recently reconsidered one of my chief criticisms of AUJ. I was very much against the increased role of the orcs (and the prominence of Azog) in this film, initially. But after recently rereading The Hobbit for the first time in a while, I think PJ & Co. made a wise decision to incorporate the Orcs as one of the chief foes of the Dwarves. It gives a lot more build-up to the Battle of Five Armies, which seems a bit sudden in the book. While Tolkien deals with that with a few lines of exposition, it wouldn't quite work in these films I think.
"All men dream; but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds awake to find that it was vanity; But the dreamers of day are dangerous men. That they may act their dreams with open eyes to make it possible." - T.E. Lawrence
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Aragorn the Elfstone
Tol Eressea
Jul 6 2013, 7:06am
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Sorry, Mitch, I'm responsible for this deviation...
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I responded to MouthofSauron's comment about whether there were any people feeling positive about the film, and he responded to my post. It wasn't my intention to go off-topic or anything. Just having a little side conversation. Sorry.
"All men dream; but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds awake to find that it was vanity; But the dreamers of day are dangerous men. That they may act their dreams with open eyes to make it possible." - T.E. Lawrence
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emre43
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Jul 6 2013, 7:21am
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Got to admit I've lost the will to argue back
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Haters gonna hate and all
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MouthofSauron
Tol Eressea
Jul 6 2013, 7:32am
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i was replying to another user.
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MouthofSauron
Tol Eressea
Jul 6 2013, 7:34am
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look to other movies which are rooted in non-fiction for your in-depth physics analysis.
take me down to the woodland realm where the trees are green and the elf women are pretty....Oh will you please take me home!!
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MouthofSauron
Tol Eressea
Jul 6 2013, 7:37am
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maybe we'll see Mitch in the front row for the opening night of DOS haters hate but the haters keep coming back for more of Peter Jackson's middle-earth films lol. I'm not calling you a hater Mitch that was just a comment toward other people who just hate AUJ for the sake of it, i know you don't hate the film.
take me down to the woodland realm where the trees are green and the elf women are pretty....Oh will you please take me home!!
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MouthofSauron
Tol Eressea
Jul 6 2013, 7:45am
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no, there's nothing wrong with it
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its interesting for sure but all i'm saying is...AUJ is a fantasy film so i sometimes will overlook some things because its fantasy. However, i still disagree with you on the stone giants/dwarves
take me down to the woodland realm where the trees are green and the elf women are pretty....Oh will you please take me home!!
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The Mitch King
Rohan
Jul 6 2013, 7:45am
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maybe we'll see Mitch in the front row for the opening night of DOS haters hate but the haters keep coming back for more of Peter Jackson's middle-earth films lol. I'm not calling you a hater Mitch that was just a comment toward other people who just hate AUJ for the sake of it, i know you don't hate the film. I am always at opening night and will be for DOS! I'm not in the front row though because I prefer the top of the theater actually. If you want to see me on the opposite side go check out any Azog, anti-AUJ/PJ or Radagast threads!
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MouthofSauron
Tol Eressea
Jul 6 2013, 7:49am
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i'll be there opening night as well.
take me down to the woodland realm where the trees are green and the elf women are pretty....Oh will you please take me home!!
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dormouse
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Jul 6 2013, 8:59am
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..if you define it as ridiculous. Doesn't seem so to me, and reading the posts here it seems that others have accepted the scene as it is and can't see a problem. The dramatic focus there is Thorin; the scene is telling the audience how much he cares for the company and feels his responsibility towards them - despite his comment to Gandalf about not being responsible for Bilbo. It shows how far he will go to protect them - while still being grouchy. That's why. Try focussing on dwarves rather than rocks, particularly on Thorin.
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jtarkey
Rohan
Jul 6 2013, 9:48am
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But did you not see, in the DOS trailer, Bombur flying 50 feet in the air in a barrel? Thrain leaping onto Gandalf like spiderman? Thorin fighting orcs whilst IN a barrel travelling down rapids? My point is this... PJ has obviously opted to turn The Hobbit into an action extravaganza that has total disregard for real world physics. This is the polar opposite of LOTR. Gimli had to be tossed over a 10 foot gap at Helms Deep, yet all the dwarves in The Hobbit seem like they could easily land a job with Cirque Du Soleil...
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Chopsta123
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Jul 6 2013, 9:49am
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Your right about this scene being ridiculous
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because it is. But one thing to remember is that its a fantasy movie and not a documentary. They want it to be ridiculous. When has Fantasy ever followed the rules of physics 100% of the time? People see those films to dive into a different world. The same goes with explosions in literally every action movie. They are totally unrealistic but people want to see them because it simply doenst happen in real life.
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